Heb 13:8 Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, wingnut- said: The two are discussed right there, the tent which can be destroyed is the natural body, the building from God is the spiritual body, it cannot be destroyed, it is immortal. No, the building from God is the resurrected body, as it clearly states in Rom 8:18-25, 1 Cor 15:50 and 2 Cor 5:1-4. These are all first resurrection and rapture scriptures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: It is NOT symbolic; if souls couldn't exist outside of a body, there would be no way to reunite with the glorified body would there? Yes there would be a way to reunite us. It's called the power of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 Just now, Heb 13:8 said: No, the building from God is the resurrected body, as it clearly states in Rom 8:18-25, 1 Cor 15:50 and 2 Cor 5:1-4. These are all first resurrection and rapture scriptures. That's what I said lol. That is the body that once you have, you will forever be with the Lord, not absent. That is what you don't seem to grasp here. Nor are you grasping that we all get them at the same time, you reference the verse but apparently don't see it. I Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” The corruptible, perishable, and the mortal are the natural body, and we will ALL be changed in a moment to the incorruptible, imperishable, and immortal, which is the spiritual body. It's really not as difficult as you're making it, I don't know what else to say. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 16 hours ago, inchrist said: One wife. One wife one bride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said: Yes there would be a way to reunite us. It's called the power of God. Did not Paul say we have two bodies? Once the flesh one dies it shall never be nor needed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said: No, the building from God is the resurrected body, as it clearly states in Rom 8:18-25, 1 Cor 15:50 and 2 Cor 5:1-4. These are all first resurrection and rapture scriptures. Where is the rapture scriptures? Don't see a hint of a rapture in Romans 1 Corinth is His 2nd coming No rapture in 2 Corinth either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, wingnut- said: That's what I said lol. That is the body that once you have, you will forever be with the Lord, not absent. That is what you don't seem to grasp here. Nor are you grasping that we all get them at the same time, you reference the verse but apparently don't see it. I Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” The corruptible, perishable, and the mortal are the natural body, and we will ALL be changed in a moment to the incorruptible, imperishable, and immortal, which is the spiritual body. It's really not as difficult as you're making it, I don't know what else to say. God bless The problem is that, all assume the soul is automatically immortal,which is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, n2thelight said: The problem is that, all assume the soul is automatically immortal,which is not the case. Can you explain how the soul taken in the rapture is not automatically made immortal when in verses 53 and 54 we read "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory. " Please explain how this is done if you do not believe it is automatic upon being taken up in the rapture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 1 hour ago, OneLight said: Can you explain how the soul taken in the rapture is not automatically made immortal when in verses 53 and 54 we read "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory. " Please explain how this is done if you do not believe it is automatic upon being taken up in the rapture. First there won't be a rapture. When Christ returns( His 2nd and last time)all are changed saint and sinner alike,difference is the condition of you soul after said change. It will be mortal for those not in Christ immortal for those who are. Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." The dead in the above are those with a mortal soul Quote Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us. Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only. Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word. To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand. If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions. https://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation20.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted May 28, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2017 2 hours ago, n2thelight said: The problem is that, all assume the soul is automatically immortal,which is not the case. Yes, perhaps because the souls under the altar clashes with the case for an invisible event. Not possible to have souls there if a resurrection has taken place after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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