Obama Warns Against the Rise of Populism

[Guest Butero]

5 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

Simple question, did Trump push the man or not?

I saw the video, and I would say no.  All he was doing was trying to get into position.  I have done the same thing before and had people brush by me the same way, and never thought anything about it.  It is just something that was blown up by the media.  I suppose he could have said, "Excuse me," but who knows if he did?  It is just and example of making a mountain out of a mole hill.  I wouldn't have been offended had someone moved past Trump like that to get into position.  It is yet another example of fake news propaganda.  Technically, he had to brush by someone because his path was blocked, but it wasn't intended to be an insult or make out like the other guy was unimportant. 

[Running Gator]

5 minutes ago, Butero said:

I saw the video, and I would say no.  All he was doing was trying to get into position.  I have done the same thing before and had people brush by me the same way, and never thought anything about it.  It is just something that was blown up by the media.  I suppose he could have said, "Excuse me," but who knows if he did?  It is just and example of making a mountain out of a mole hill.  I wouldn't have been offended had someone moved past Trump like that to get into position.  It is yet another example of fake news propaganda.  Technically, he had to brush by someone because his path was blocked, but it wasn't intended to be an insult or make out like the other guy was unimportant. 

I am getting a bit tired of you accusing me of fake news propaganda.  If this is going to be your MO, let me know so I can move on.

I would bet not a single person on this forum gets their information from a wider variety of sources than I do.  I do not rely on the hust the left or the right as both are hopelessly biased. 

As for this story, it is not fake news, it is a video that everyone can watch.  He pushed the man out of the way so he could be be in front for the picture.  This is not in question, it is there for everyone to see.  

It was rude and no spin can change that.

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, Running Gator said:

I am getting a bit tired of you accusing me of fake news propaganda.  If this is going to be your MO, let me know so I can move on.

I would bet not a single person on this forum gets their information from a wider variety of sources than I do.  I do not rely on the hust the left or the right as both are hopelessly biased. 

As for this story, it is not fake news, it is a video that everyone can watch.  He pushed the man out of the way so he could be be in front for the picture.  This is not in question, it is there for everyone to see.  

It was rude and no spin can change that.

I didn't accuse you of fake news propaganda.  I accused the media of fake news propaganda, and I stand by what I said.  It was a non-story.  It was a distraction.  They turned a picture of Trump moving into position for a photo shoot into him pushing a man out of the way, and then further spun it into a fake story of him disrespecting other world leaders.  Yes, you can be deceived by something on video.  It can appear one way and not be what it seems.  It was spin.  It was a distraction by a media obsessed with destroying President Trump.  I stand by every word I said, and I saw the video, and invite others to watch the video. 

Again, it is the media I am accusing of fake news propaganda.  This was a propaganda story, plain and simple.  It is not important in the least, but they made a big deal out of it to get people upset with Trump.  Disrespecting world leaders would be taking a bust of Churchill out of the Oval Office and returning it to England.  That is disrespect.  Moving into position for a photo is not. 

[Guest Butero]

6 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

 

I would bet not a single person on this forum gets their information from a wider variety of sources than I do.  I do not rely on the hust the left or the right as both are hopelessly biased. 

That is not necessarily a good thing.  Most of the media is corrupt.  Most of the media is spreading lies.  Look at CBS and the national guard story.  Look at CNN and the way they edited Obama's Memorial Day Speech without letting anyone know it was edited to remove a serious gaff.  Many sources?  Big deal!  People would do better to get all their news from Fox News Channel and look to Rush Limbaugh to see what to think of it than to go to a wide variety of sources.  I suggest Fox and Friends in the morning, Rush Limbaugh at Noon, and Mark Levin at 6 PM, and you know all you need to know about what is going on in the world. 

I check out stories all the time on left-wing sources like Yahoo and Huffington Post, but I scrutinize every word for the spin, which is everywhere.  You will have headlines that don't resemble the story. 

[Running Gator]

5 minutes ago, Butero said:

I didn't accuse you of fake news propaganda.  I accused the media of fake news propaganda, and I stand by what I said.  It was a non-story.  It was a distraction.  They turned a picture of Trump moving into position for a photo shoot into him pushing a man out of the way, and then further spun it into a fake story of him disrespecting other world leaders.  Yes, you can be deceived by something on video.  It can appear one way and not be what it seems.  It was spin.  It was a distraction by a media obsessed with destroying President Trump.  I stand by every word I said, and I saw the video, and invite others to watch the video. 

Again, it is the media I am accusing of fake news propaganda.  This was a propaganda story, plain and simple.  It is not important in the least, but they made a big deal out of it to get people upset with Trump.  Disrespecting world leaders would be taking a bust of Churchill out of the Oval Office and returning it to England.  That is disrespect.  Moving into position for a photo is not. 

I would say they are both rude things to do.  Whether it is "important" or not does not remove the undeniably fact it was rude.   Pushing someone out of the way is rude no matter who does it and why they did it.  

[Guest Butero]

52 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

It may have only appeared that way; the POTUS has met with a LOT of foreign dignitaries already and it doesn't seem to be his MO to push people.  I would go with what the 'pushee' said. 

I agree, and that is the point I was making.  Things aren't always as they appear.  I have watched videos of all kinds of things that appeared one way, but weren't what they seemed.  President Trump was hurriedly moving into place for a photo, and had to squeeze in between two people.  That is being called pushing a man out of the way.  He was clearly not trying to disrespect anyone, but was being accused of doing so because he was so superior in his own mind.  All made up propaganda. 

[Running Gator]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

That is not necessarily a good thing.  Most of the media is corrupt.  Most of the media is spreading lies.  Look at CBS and the national guard story.  Look at CNN and the way they edited Obama's Memorial Day Speech without letting anyone know it was edited to remove a serious gaff.  Many sources?  Big deal!  People would do better to get all their news from Fox News Channel and look to Rush Limbaugh to see what to think of it than to go to a wide variety of sources.  I suggest Fox and Friends in the morning, Rush Limbaugh at Noon, and Mark Levin at 6 PM, and you know all you need to know about what is going on in the world. 

I check out stories all the time on left-wing sources like Yahoo and Huffington Post, but I scrutinize every word for the spin, which is everywhere.  You will have headlines that don't resemble the story. 

What you miss is the the right wing media is also corrupt.   There is no side of the spectrum that is not biased and is not spreading lies. 

If you get all your news from FoxNews and Limbaugh you are being fed what they want to feed you and will never know the truth or the whole story, just what they want you to know.   

[Guest Butero]

1 minute ago, Running Gator said:

I would say they are both rude things to do.  Whether it is "important" or not does not remove the undeniably fact it was rude.   Pushing someone out of the way is rude no matter who does it and why they did it.  

OK.  He should have perhaps said, "Excuse me."  Then they could have moved over and let him through.  That would be proper etiquette, but I don't think he was intending to be disrespectful.  I also believe the story was just a distraction from things that actually matter. 

[Guest shiloh357]

6 minutes ago, Butero said:

I agree, and that is the point I was making.  Things aren't always as they appear.  I have watched videos of all kinds of things that appeared one way, but weren't what they seemed.  President Trump was hurriedly moving into place for a photo, and had to squeeze in between two people.  That is being called pushing a man out of the way.  He was clearly not trying to disrespect anyone, but was being accused of doing so because he was so superior in his own mind.  All made up propaganda. 

That's what they focus on when they don't have anything of substance. 

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

OK.  He should have perhaps said, "Excuse me."  Then they could have moved over and let him through.  That would be proper etiquette, but I don't think he was intending to be disrespectful.  I also believe the story was just a distraction from things that actually matter. 

Yes, exactly.