WorthyNews: Mennonite Church USA votes to divest in protest of Israeli policies

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The Mennonite Church USA voted Thursday to sell its holdings in companies they say are profiting from business in territories occupied by Israel, the latest American Christian group to do so.

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[ayin jade]

Wow this surprises me.

[brakelite]

Seems to me that they are simply reflecting their historical roots...religious liberty.

[Guest shiloh357]

9 hours ago, brakelite said:

Seems to me that they are simply reflecting their historical roots...religious liberty.

No, they are reflecting the evil anti-Semitism/racism.  If they supported liberty they would oppose the militant oppression of Islam. Instead, they have sided with the enemies of Israel and God.

[brakelite]

On 8/07/2017 at 9:34 AM, shiloh357 said:

Instead, they have sided with the enemies of Israel and God.

So not supporting the secular Israel nation politically, and its false religious hypocrites spiritually, whose forbears killed our Savior and are now vainly attempting to rebuild what their own Messiah declared as desolate, is setting up oneself to be an enemy of God? That is a very presumptuous and bold statement.

[Guest shiloh357]

4 hours ago, brakelite said:

So not supporting the secular Israel nation politically, and its false religious hypocrites spiritually, whose forbears killed our Savior and are now vainly attempting to rebuild what their own Messiah declared as desolate, is setting up oneself to be an enemy of God? That is a very presumptuous and bold statement.

Yes, it is setting oneself up to be an enemy of God.  It is not presumptuous, it is truth.

[brakelite]

10 hours ago, brakelite said:

So not supporting the secular Israel nation politically, and its false religious hypocrites spiritually, whose forbears killed our Savior and are now vainly attempting to rebuild what their own Messiah declared as desolate, is setting up oneself to be an enemy of God? That is a very presumptuous and bold statement.

I guess then that makes me an enemy of God. Although I am surprised that the God I have known and been intimate friends with for over 40 years would a. take so long to tell me, and b. use you to do the telling.

[FresnoJoe]

On 7/7/2017 at 8:57 AM, brakelite said:

Seems to me that they are simply reflecting their historical roots...religious liberty.

Roots~!

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,

He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

And this is My covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. Romans 11:26 (Berean Study Bible)

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On 7/7/2017 at 6:34 PM, shiloh357 said:

No, they are reflecting the evil anti-Semitism/racism.  If they supported liberty they would oppose the militant oppression of Islam. Instead, they have sided with the enemies of Israel and God.

Enemies Of Israel
Enemies Of God

But this will be the nature of the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that have fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will decay while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot away in their sockets, and their tongues will dissolve in their mouths. On that day there will be great confusion from the Lord among them; they will seize each other and attack one another violently.

Moreover, Judah will fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be gathered up – gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance. This is the kind of plague that will devastate horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the other animals in those camps.

Then all who survive from all the nations that came to attack Jerusalem will go up annually to worship the King, the Lord who rules over all, and to observe the Feast of Tabernacles. But if any of the nations anywhere on earth refuse to go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord who rules over all, they will get no rain. If the Egyptians will not do so, they will get no rain – instead there will be the kind of plague which the Lord inflicts on any nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and of all nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Zechariah 14:12-19 (NET Bible)

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17 hours ago, brakelite said:

So not supporting the secular Israel nation politically, and its false religious hypocrites spiritually, whose forbears killed our Savior and are now vainly attempting to rebuild what their own Messiah declared as desolate, is setting up oneself to be an enemy of God? That is a very presumptuous and bold statement.

Yeap~!
Very Presumptuous~!

Yahweh will roar from Zion, and thunder from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth will shake; but Yahweh will be a refuge to his people, and a stronghold to the children of Israel. Joel 3:16 (World English Bible)

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13 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, it is setting oneself up to be an enemy of God.  It is not presumptuous, it is truth.

The Truth

For thus said the LORD of hosts; After the glory has he sent me to the nations which spoiled you: for he that touches you touches the apple of his eye. Zechariah 2:8 (American King James Version)

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6 hours ago, brakelite said:

I guess then that makes me an enemy of God. Although I am surprised that the God I have known and been intimate friends with for over 40 years would a. take so long to tell me, and b. use you to do the telling.

Amen~! The Starve-A-Jew Movement Is Unwise

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left.

"Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.' "Then the people who have God's approval will reply to him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink?

When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?'

"The king will answer them, 'I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.'

"Then the king will say to those on his left, 'Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels! I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat.

I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger, and you didn't take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn't give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't take care of me.' "They, too, will ask, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn't help you?'

"He will answer them, 'I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant [they seemed], you failed to do for me.' "These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God's approval will go into eternal life." Matthew 25:31-46 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

And As For Those Killers Of Jesus

After they had nailed him to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice. Then they sat around and kept guard as he hung there. A sign was fastened above Jesus’ head, announcing the charge against him. It read: “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews.” Matthew 27:35-37 (New Living Translation)

Why, It's You And Me

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5: 8 ( New American Standard Bible)

Brother

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away; and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. And the hired hand flees because he is a hired hand and the sheep means nothing to him.

I am the good shepherd. I know my own, and my own know me; even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father. I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd.

Therefore the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father." Romans 10:11-18 New Heart English Bible

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible)

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 (King James Bible)

The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully.  It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

From The Inside Of My Gideon New Testament

[brakelite]

Mmmmm, you do all realize do you not that I am speaking of a secular government that refuses to recognize its own Messiah, and religious traditionalists bigoted against all who believe in Jesus as Messiah , especially their own? Why should I give any support for such a people, other than my desire, prayers, and means to see them converted?

You do realize that Paul , while correctly claiming "all Israel will be saved" also said when a Gentile is converted he becomes a child of Abraham, a child of promise, and a grafted part of Israel, and that carnal/fleshly children of Israel are not necessarily of Israel?

On that basis therefore claiming I need to support a secular government and a false religion in order to be saved is a false works based gospel.

And Fresno Joe, while I concede that Jesus gave His life, those who condemned Him were still counted as His murderers, and if Jesus was to walk the streets of Jerusalem today doing the same works and speaking the same message, I believe He would receive the same response He did 2000 years ago. He would receive the same response as would Benny Hinn and treated as a charlatan or magician, because they, like many Christians, base  their hopes on a material earthly  kingdom.

Israel still the apple of  God's eye? No my friends, the church is the apple of God's eye. It is the church,not the nation of Israel, that is the focus of God's purposes and and the recipient of God's power and grace, except they repent. Don't be deceived by the current fiasco in the Middle East, as if Israel is the focus of the devil's attacks. I would suggest that Israel, as it stands, pleases Satan very much, and he would be quite happy for it to continue the way its going. It is the church, the worldwide ecclesia , made up of people from all denominations, including Jewish Christians and  Messianics, who are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit of God, that is the focus of the devils hatred and the focus of God's loving nurture and protection. That is the Israel I support.

[brakelite]

With all the above said, that doesn't mean that I discount God having a special purpose and hope for the nation...but not as they are. Their salvation rests precisely upon the same conditions as do ours...acceptance of the gospel...and that always comes down to an individual decision. The nation of Israel is not going to be saved as a nation on any other basis than grace and mercy through faith in the blood of the Lamb.