While reading the Bible quote

[warrior12]

Reading 1st Timothy this morning and some powerful admonitions in there.  One verse that stuck out was below.

 Do you have any that strikes you as you read the Bible.     Keep it to a verse if you, so you can keep it to memory.   

She can be replaced with HE too.

1 Timothy 5  King James Version (KJV)

⁶ But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

 

Edited July 10, 2017 by warrior12

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Reading 1st Timothy this morning and some powerful admonitions in there.  One verse that stuck out was below.

 Do you have any that strikes you as you read the Bible.     Keep it to a verse if you, so you can keep it to memory.   

She can be replaced with HE too.

1 Timothy 5  King James Version (KJV)

⁶ But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

 

Is she or he a Believer widow,

(to say living in pleasure for someone who is without a husband, or a wife, implies the obvious)

(It doesn't examines it's and every case on its own specific merits)

( It doesn't touches on the extent of the specific sircoumstances) 

And to say she,he, is dead Spiritually that is a very heavy judgement, or statement, and it seems quite rush and unjustified, and not fair, what we may say, it's a judgement that can be reviewed on appeal. 

If it suggests , abstain or you are Spiritual dead, it is not correct, to say that to a Believer. 

Without defining the meaning of "dead", 

Which may mislead many to think that the person has lost their salvation, even though they still believe, and they are Hell bound, which it is not truth, according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

It also may confuses the individual involved that they are going to Hell, when they are not. 

It also may promote the WRONG standard of belief, that the wages of sin is Death=Hell. 

Something found in the Old Covenant, but it's not part of the New Covenant. 

Something that has been infuse from the OC in to the NC, out of misanderstanding. 

 

[warrior12]

11 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If it suggests , abstain or you are Spiritual dead, it is not correct, to say that to a Believer. 

Without defining the meaning of "dead", 

The thread was to quote a scripture verse  that stands out or just uplifts your spirit while you are reading the Bible.   

If though, you want to contest the scripture as you so outlined, then read the entire chapter 5 and see the context that the verse was put in there for and you surely would be enlightened to its meaning.  

[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, warrior12 said:

The thread was to quote a scripture verse  that stands out or just uplifts your spirit while you are reading the Bible.   

If though, you want to contest the scripture as you so outlined, then read the entire chapter 5 and see the context that the verse was put in there for and you surely would be enlightened to its meaning.  

I do understand the intent to post something from the Bible that uplifts "your" spirit. 

First I have tried to coment in a way without judging, as in putting the posting under review, and not the poster. 

At the same time, scripture was quoted, and that creates a duty to examine if the scriptures are quoted correctly and reflects the context. 

Then we have to reflect on the value of the scriptures in a broader frame and also on a stricter frame of value, the specific sircoumstances, the idividuals involved, the intent of the authors, whether the author had the time to consider all relevant information available to. By making reference to previous same facts events, and examples. 

"Finally breathren, whatever is good and honorable, and right think of those things" .

Do not impose your mind quickly upon others, less sooner or later, there is a change of mind and understanding, and then we find our selfs in judgement of the things we said and supported in the past, but not anymore. 

I right this, so you can see my intent, which is not obvious to anyone. 

The scripture in your post does not reveal the context. 

This is the same scripture from the Gideon's Bible. 

1st Timothy chapter 5:6.

But the widow who lives only for pleasure is "spiritually dead", even while she still lives. 

The culture of that time, and even today in many places, regard this regarding the behavior of women, it does not include men widows, only women. That's why the author is referring only to women widows. 

Before Paul writes this passage he is giving his instructions about the charity of the local congregation towards to women widows at that congregation, and the duty the body of Believers have towards the widows in their mids. 

It is just a guideline, it's not a must, and is not prohibit the charity of Believers towards one another outside this instructions. 

(There was not government welfare programs, the way we have today to help anyone that was in need). 

To say that the author was giving rigit rules to follow, he would have to depart from "love one another, as CHRIST have love you", and love your and love your neighbor as yourself", and "who is my neighbor" and "do good to all if you can, not just to your own", you never know the one you may call unworthy , if JESUS CHRIST is, or will call worthy. 

There is another issue to decide, and that is what is the state if someone considered "Spiritually dead, or living in some state of having fellowship and overcome by sensuality, as a way of a lifestyle, revolving all their time and living too much into that, thus distancing them selfs from the fellowship of the congregation, or living a pretensious relenshionsip with the congregation, and not as an unbeliever but as a believer. 

For Paul is addressing Believers in this epistols. 

The question is can the JESUS CHRIST work with someone even if it is in that state of been "Spiritually dead" because of their sins. Not for rejecting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 

 

[warrior12]

26 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

At the same time, scripture was quoted, and that creates a duty to examine if the scriptures are quoted correctly and reflects the context. 

The verse in question is simple and  the previous verse explains it.  This has nothing to do with the time people live ect, but a simple statement of a widow who seeks after God and the one  that does not. 

1 Timothy 5Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

⁵ Now [a woman] who is a real widow and is left entirely alone and desolate has fixed her hope on God and perseveres in supplications and prayers night and day,

⁶ Whereas she who lives in pleasure and self-gratification [giving herself up to luxury and self-indulgence] is dead even while she [still] lives.

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

The verse in question is simple and  the previous verse explains it.  This has nothing to do with the time people live ect, but a simple statement of a widow who seeks after God and the one  that does not. 

1 Timothy 5Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

⁵ Now [a woman] who is a real widow and is left entirely alone and desolate has fixed her hope on God and perseveres in supplications and prayers night and day,

⁶ Whereas she who lives in pleasure and self-gratification [giving herself up to luxury and self-indulgence] is dead even while she [still] lives.

What are you suggesting, thats how a widow should live,

(referring to a woman), 

Are these suggestions for us today? 

Is the author reffering to divorsed women? 

The author doesn't have any idea, about our present structure of sociaty, in N. America, and Europe, and the welfare programs. 

The author cannot relate to today's needs of single women, single mothers, divorsed women, with children or not. 

Non of today's religious leaders follow this guidance to discriminate of the needy wonen, because of their age. 

I am not out of context, we still need to consider what the author has written in the context of the chapter. And if some how I am, then what is the substance of the passage you point out? 

Is it that anyone who lives in seeking wealth, seeking to live in luxury, and self gratification, or as the author put it in sensuality, is "Spiritually dead". 

For the author here is speaking in this particular passage through a narrow window, of a woman who is a widow and lives the life of " a woman, been in relationship with deferent men and having the benefit of gifts".

Even this is not an all inclusive discription, for many reasons. The widow may be wealthy, by inheritance, or not living on her own, but with family and or her children and living in luxury, and self indulgence, and keep to herself and staying away from any relationships with other men. 

Where does this been "Spiritually dead", fits in these examples? 

And what is "Spiritually dead", because Paul is addressing Believers. 

We must define with clarity what the author means with "Spiritually dead", for many reasons. 

Some may think that Jesus Christ refuses to communicate with them, if indeed they were "Spiritually dead", or that the have cut off them selfs from JESUS CHRIST, and they are Hell bound. 

 

[Sower]

Jesus wept.

He felt pain and sorrow, just like us. Fully man. Fully God. He can feel what we feel, He's been there.

 

Joh 11:33  When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
Joh 11:34  And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
Joh 11:35  Jesus wept.
Joh 11:36  Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

[warrior12]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Where does this been "Spiritually dead", fits in these examples? 

All here in 1st Timothy, just a  little further down.

1 Timothy 5  Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

¹³ Moreover, as they go about from house to house, they learn to be idlers, and not only idlers, but gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not say and talking of things they should not mention.

¹⁴ So I would have younger [widows] marry, bear children, guide the household, [and] not give opponents of the faith occasion for slander or reproach.

¹⁵ For already some [widows] have turned aside after Satan.

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[warrior12]

43 minutes ago, Gary Lee said:

Jesus wept.

He felt pain and sorrow, just like us. Fully man. Fully God. He can feel what we feel, He's been there.

Aye !

Is it to much to ask, if you include  the book,chapter and verse number.  thanks.

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[Your closest friendnt]

JESUS was hungry, and he was looking for a place to bye something to eat. 

If not, what was he consern about. 

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