Is a divorce unattainable besides unfaithfulness or death of spouse ?

[frienduff thaylorde]

25 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Gandalf........Jesus DID give us the spirit of the Law when He said do not put your wife away except for adultery....and that to divorce without cause and remarry is adultery.  But I think we need to distinguish between two things here.....one is establishing what is the righteous holy standard of Christ....and then secondly how we as the church are to deal with different kinds of situations.  Two separate topics in my opinion, and I think we can get confused mixing the two together without realizing it.

 

I take the stance which the early church did.   So, if she be married to another man while her first husband lives , she shall be called an adulteress.

However  ,  I always ask the test questions anyway.  and every time they fail who have done such a thing.  that in itself speaks volumes.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I take the stance which the early church did.   So, if she be married to another man while her first husband lives , she shall be called an adulteress.

However  ,  I always ask the test questions anyway.  and every time they fail who have done such a thing.  that in itself speaks volumes.

?  I dont understand brother........Jesus had a stance but did not have an attitude.  He didn't call the woman at the well demeaning names....?

Keeping in mind too that Paul was addressing the Law with that comment, using marriage as an analogy of being dead to the Law, he wasn't addressing marriage or remarriage.

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

?  I dont understand brother........Jesus had a stance but did not have an attitude.  He didn't call the woman at the well demeaning names....?

Keeping in mind too that Paul was addressing the Law with that comment, using marriage as an analogy of being dead to the Law, he wasn't addressing marriage or remarriage.

PAUL was not being mean either.   HE was making a point it was ADULTERY.   I am not being mean either.  I have never called one an adulterer or adulteress.

BUT even if I had.........LOOK at james, HE said YOU adulterers and adulteresses.  No , sister its not to be mean.  ITS to make a point.

The point has been made.   I truly see no need to keep repeating it anymore .  While we are to expose sin and error, my main mission is to point to REPENTANCE AND CHRIST.

So be blessed dear sister.

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

PAUL was not being mean either.   HE was making a point it was ADULTERY.   I am not being mean either.  I have never called one an adulterer or adulteress.

BUT even if I had.........LOOK at james, HE said YOU adulterers and adulteresses.  No , sister its not to be mean.  ITS to make a point.

The point has been made.   I truly see no need to keep repeating it anymore .  While we are to expose sin and error, my main mission is to point to REPENTANCE AND CHRIST.

So be blessed dear sister.

Thank you for explaining frienduff, it shocked me a bit........so I understand then you were still establishing the plumbline of righteousness......and I agree with that.   I think in dealing face to face with people in real life situations then we would handle it with compassion and wisdom.....which I have seen that you do have.  You wouldn't go up to a couple who had remarried long before even knowing the Lord and call them adulterers to their faces, or even harbour that attitude......and James wouldn't have done that either , he was addressing a different situation to people in general, in a letter........I just needed to make sure that wasn't what was being implied, so thanks again, and sorry for misunderstanding.

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Thank you for explaining frienduff, it shocked me a bit........so I understand then you were still establishing the plumbline of righteousness......and I agree with that.   I think in dealing face to face with people in real life situations then we would handle it with compassion and wisdom.....which I have seen that you do have.  You wouldn't go up to a couple who had remarried long before even knowing the Lord and call them adulterers to their faces, or even harbour that attitude......and James wouldn't have done that either , he was addressing a different situation to people in general, in a letter........I just needed to make sure that wasn't what was being implied, so thanks again, and sorry for misunderstanding.

Absolutely.   Railing is all wrong.  that should never be done.  not once, not ever.  We don't rail.   I use the same examples to show how dire and serious it is.  But not to rail ever once

on a person.