Did Jesus Pray For You?

[Robert William]

4 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

God determinded or PREDISTINED THIS.   that JESUS would be the savoir of the world.

He who was before the world was, created by the world but WILLFULLY rejected by many.

Robert.     I have a question for you.   Since you absolutely believe that we have no free will AFTER Grace appears.   What happens to those who

well rejected grace.    I don't ask this cause I believe how you do.   I just want to hear your answer.

What happens to those who refused Christ.

The unmerited favor given to the predestined elect miraculously transforms the human into a born again new creature who will ALWAYS embrace the gospel and receive the free gift of eternal salvation in the Kingdom to come.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Robert William said:

The unmerited favor given to the predestined elect miraculously transform the human into a born again new creature who will ALWAYS embrace the gospel and receive the free gift of eternal salvation in the Kingdom to come.

I really NOTICED ya kind of skipped around it.  I did not ask WHAT WE RECIVE

I asked what do those who did not have grace RECIEVE.

I got a bad feeling Robert.   that it will be tied right into a universal salvation of sorts.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I really NOTICED ya kind of skipped around it.  I did not ask WHAT WE RECIVE

I asked what do those who did not have grace RECIEVE.

I got a bad feeling Robert.   that it will be tied right into a universal salvation of sorts.

 

Oh Roberto.   what happens to those who did not have Christ at their end.     

[Robert William]

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I really NOTICED ya kind of skipped around it.  I did not ask WHAT WE RECIVE

I asked what do those who did not have grace RECIEVE.

I got a bad feeling Robert.   that it will be tied right into a universal salvation of sorts.

 

YHWH is not obligated to save anyone, neither does anyone deserve the love of God, that YHWH chose to save a few makes Him very merciful.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Robert William said:

YHWH is not obligated to save anyone, neither does anyone deserves the love of God, that YHWH chose to save a few makes Him very merciful.

FULLLY AGREE if we all ended up in HELL FIRE , GOD IS JUST PEROID.

but ya aint answering the question.

What happens to those who did not have grace .     

[Robert William]

Just now, frienduff thaylorde said:

FULLLY AGREE if we all ended up in HELL FIRE , GOD IS JUST PEROID.

but ya aint answering the question.

What happens to those who did not have grace .     

Those who are not given unmerited favor from YHWH will end up in the eternal lake of fire for their OWN sins.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Robert William said:

Those who are not given unmerited favor from YHWH will end up in the eternal lake of fire for their OWN sins.

AGREED on that.

NOW try and remember that GOD is LOVE and at the same time RIGHTEOUS JUDGE

that he does desire none to perish , but he also desires all glory.

HE does send grace which Draws us to Christ to faith in Him.

We are saved SOLEY by grace .  PEROID.   so far we agree .

Here is where ya mess up.     The condemnation IS not that men were NOT SENT GRACE .  JESUS never said that.

HE said the ONLLY condemnation is that LIGHT has come into the world........BUT MEN CHOOSE they LOVE darkness instead.

THEY wont COME. . THEY WONT WILLFULLY COME cause they LOVE their sin MORE .

or In so many places it talks about those who DID receive , some LUST chokes it out.

SEE AFTER that the GRACE of GOD does appear unto us.  WHAT We do with it , how we respond to it .  IS ON US.

that is our fault our rejecting him .   Be looking diligently now Roberto,  lest any man FAIL , FAIL of the grace of GOD.

MAN can and does REJECT GRACE OFTEN Robert,     Don't let calvin who could not understand mess this up.

It is not GODS fault ANYONE ends up in hell.   THEY did that . IN fact you , me and all we EARNED HELL.

OH BUT GOD IS MERCIFUL ISNT HE.   HE drew us by grace to Christ . many hear but wont come cause they just don't want too.

IN fact they get convicted , know they should , which is grace within at work, but THEY SAY no , to the spirit drawing them.

or if they come it was another JESUS they quickly sought out or came too.    Grace is actually TIED INTO THE PRACHING of the GOSPLE itself .

When one hears it ,  oh man harden not the heart .  WHEN we hear him speak from heaven , when we hear the spirit unction us what is right and not to do the evil

OH don't harden the heart to the SPIRIT.   man does it fully to himself Robert.   MAN alone is his own reason he is in hell.

GOD offered it to ALL.   In fact JESUS said..........HE WONT RETURN to the whole of all nations heard the gospel.  OH Roberto.  free willie tonight .   free him.

set him free.    Does it scare you to believe this.    God don't desire anyone to perish.   if you have fear WHY .  ALL we need is Christ

IF one has erred , we warn them to repent.  GODS grace works through the spirit in HIS MEMBERS too. Robert.

 

[Robert William]

6 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

AGREED on that.

NOW try and remember that GOD is LOVE and at the same time RIGHTEOUS JUDGE

that he does desire none to perish , but he also desires all glory.

HE does send grace which Draws us to Christ to faith in Him.

We are saved SOLEY by grace .  PEROID.   so far we agree .

Here is where ya mess up.     The condemnation IS not that men were NOT SENT GRACE .  JESUS never said that.

HE said the ONLLY condemnation is that LIGHT has come into the world........BUT MEN CHOOSE they LOVE darkness instead.

THEY wont COME. . THEY WONT WILLFULLY COME cause they LOVE their sin MORE .

or In so many places it talks about those who DID receive , some LUST chokes it out.

SEE AFTER that the GRACE of GOD does appear unto us.  WHAT We do with it , how we respond to it .  IS ON US.

that is our fault our rejecting him .   Be looking diligently now Roberto,  lest any man FAIL , FAIL of the grace of GOD.

MAN can and does REJECT GRACE OFTEN Robert,     Don't let calvin who could not understand mess this up.

It is not GODS fault ANYONE ends up in hell.   THEY did that . IN fact you , me and all we EARNED HELL.

OH BUT GOD IS MERCIFUL ISNT HE.   HE drew us by grace to Christ . many hear but wont come cause they just don't want too.

IN fact they get convicted , know they should , which is grace within at work, but THEY SAY no , to the spirit drawing them.

or if they come it was another JESUS they quickly sought out or came too.    Grace is actually TIED INTO THE PRACHING of the GOSPLE itself .

When one hears it ,  oh man harden not the heart .  WHEN we hear him speak from heaven , when we hear the spirit unction us what is right and not to do the evil

OH don't harden the heart to the SPIRIT.   man does it fully to himself Robert.   MAN alone is his own reason he is in hell.

GOD offered it to ALL.   In fact JESUS said..........HE WONT RETURN to the whole of all nations heard the gospel.  OH Roberto.  free willie tonight .   free him.

set him free.    Does it scare you to believe this.    God don't desire anyone to perish.   if you have fear WHY .  ALL we need is Christ

IF one has erred , we warn them to repent.  GODS grace works through the spirit in HIS MEMBERS too. Robert.

 

YHWH desires and wills that all those who are not the predestined elect should perish. YHWH's desire is not the same as his will and decree.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Robert William said:

YHWH desires and wills that all the those who are not the predestined elect should perish. YHWH's desire is not the same as his will and decree.

He wont go against HIS WILL.  so yeah it will Be HIS WILL they ended up their .  But HIS WILL was they had been saved by coming to Christ .

THUS the gospel will be preached .    Man willfully rejects Christ Robert.   even after the spirit unctions him. 

meaning they had the chance ROBERT.  they DID.   they rejected grace.    you so close yet so far .

they willfully rejected grace .     IF one wont come to CHRIST then yeah GODS WILL is that all evil will be destroyed.  ALL OF IT

and if man rejects grace  what a mock to GOD that is.

you have to skip and omit so much of the bible to teach just one error.    People often come by GRACE, taste IT , and know the way of righteousess

THEN they go back to the hog pen.  ROBERT they rejected grace willfully.   cant omit that .  peter did not talk just to hear his head rattle.

NOR did the author of Hebrews.   IT DOES and IT HAPPENS OFTEN.    Just also look at the message to the seven churches.

RPENT or else.   your first love , return TO IT.............yeah man can slip Robert and fall away too.    IT HAPPENS .  don't get scared .

REMEMBER GOD DOES Not desire you or I or anyone to perish.   IF you have slipped in areas.  JUST repent of it and be restored.  THE SPIRIT will convict you.

OH , also a lot don't know this either.   DONT QUENCH the SPIRIT.   yeah means don't put it OUT.  SIN is a monster.

but , today is a new day Robert.    And anyone else who feels any fear , or are in a sin.  REPENT asap.   repent asap.  be restored , GOD desires none to perish.

amen.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Robert we should be focusing on two things .   telling many about Christ , warning out against the darkness and giving them the answer.

we should ALSO be keeping each other sharp in the faith.   Exhorting to be walking as HE DID. working by the power of the holy spirit

and getting the people ready in sound doctrine in Christ to be prepared to endure the greatest tribulation to come .

To be warning out against the all inclusive lie , to be reminding them OF JESUS sayings.

not speculating on mens doctrines.    calvin had some stuff wrong.   I don't know how much cuase I don't know all he taught.

But I notice those tied into calvin preach Calvinism and not CHRIST and him crucified.  WHY cant we just teach exactly LIKE the early church did.

WE have their letters. READ them as a whole.  its not complex, and its not confusing.

WE should be focusing on CHRIST  < HIS sayings and the letters from the apostels and biblical sound doctrine.   many men have messed some things up

and also many men have been outright false .    We should just start over in the bible , GO from their and encourage one the other daily.

ITS SO SIMPLE it really is , by grace amen.