angels4u Posted October 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 hour ago, GandalfTheWise said: The discerningtheworld.com site seems rather ..um.. set in their ways.. to put it politely. Here's a quote from their site on their "seeking salvation or deliverance" page link. "This is for anyone; those who think they are Christian but are not sure, those who are Charismatic, Pentecostal (believing in Baptism of the Holy Spirit by sign of gifts, ie., speaking in tongues), Zionist (ZCC church), Anglican, Catholic, Calvinist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc. Those in the Occult / New Age, Wiccan, Pagan or an unbeliever be that an atheist, agnostic etc. Or if you are Hindu, Buddhist, or Muslim etc." Further reading of the site suggests that this is NOT a typo. This seems to be close to what they believe. Calvinists, charismatics, pentecostals, and others are lumped in with pagans, atheists, and agnostics. As for gotquestions.org, their statement of belief is quite mainstream. However, some of their articles present a single side to some questions without mentioning that other Christians hold differing views. Looking through their top articles, I found the following. Young earth creationism, 5 point calvinism, eternal security, and a practical form of cessationism. I think that many good Christians of good conscience hold those views; and I think that many good Christians of good conscience disagree with those views. Do the writers of these articles question the Christianity of those who disagree? I have no clue. I've met 5 point calvinists that are quite pleasant and recognize the weaknesses in their position and hold it as a "well, it's slightly more biblical than the alternatives" position; I've met others that view any variation from it as heresy that needs to be put down as quickly and forcefully as possible with a condescending "let me explain TULIP to you once again". My assertion is that one-sided articles are not education, they are indoctrination. Unfortunately, young believers with questions will not be able to distinguish which articles would represent answers that almost all Christians would agree with versus those that would be debated vigorously. I think that it is somewhat disingenuous to present oneself as giving good answers but refusing to acknowledge when some of those answers would be disagreed with by other Christians. Frankly, this is a criticism I would level at a lot of churches, denominations, and individuals. As I said right from the beginning this discussion is not meant to argue doctrine but we really have to ask ourself ,what do they really believe? I'm just reading up on S. Michael Houdmann who answers questions for igotquestions,we have to be aware of not to think their answers are always right because they are not. We do have to know the Bible to test their answers with the Word . (their doctrine is misleading.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the watchman Posted October 7, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 54 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, angels4u said: As I said right from the beginning this discussion is not meant to argue doctrine but we really have to ask ourself ,what do they really believe? I'm just reading up on S. Michael Houdmann who answers questions for igotquestions,we have to be aware of not to think their answers are always right because they are not. We do have to know the Bible to test their answers with the Word . (their doctrine is misleading.. i AGREE I DID LOOK SOME AT THE man behind got questions didn't see a lot honestly we all have our quirks while he is not a preacher that i know of. a former pastor once said preaching is like eating chicken eat the meat throw the bones away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted October 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Hi Watchman :) The point of my thread was just to ask a question to ask "Who is igotquestion " We all have a free will to believe what we want but I never really realized who they are Nothing against them or anything-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2017 Got Questions statement of faith. Anyone have a problem with this? Section 1: The Bible We believe the Bible, comprised of the Old and New Testaments, to be the inspired, infallible, and authoritative Word of God (Matthew 5:18; 2 Timothy 3:16-17). In faith we hold the Bible to be inerrant in the original writings, God-breathed, and the complete and final authority for faith and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). While still using the individual writing styles of the human authors, the Holy Spirit perfectly guided them to ensure they wrote precisely what He wanted written, without error or omission (2 Peter 1:21).Section 2: God We believe in one God, who is Creator of all (Deuteronomy 6:4; Colossians 1:16), who has revealed Himself in three distinct Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 13:14), yet who is one in being, essence, and glory (John 10:30). God is eternal (Psalm 90:2), infinite (1 Timothy 1:17), and sovereign (Psalm 93:1). God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1-6), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-13), omnipotent (Revelation 19:6), and unchanging (Malachi 3:6). God is holy (Isaiah 6:3), just (Deuteronomy 32:4), and righteous (Exodus 9:27). God is love (1 John 4:8), gracious (Ephesians 2:8), merciful (1 Peter 1:3), and good (Romans 8:28).Section 3: Jesus Christ We believe in the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is God incarnate, God in human form, the expressed image of the Father, who, without ceasing to be God, became man in order that He might demonstrate who God is and provide the means of salvation for humanity (Matthew 1:21; John 1:18; Colossians 1:15). We believe that Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and was born of the virgin Mary (Matthew 1:23); that He is truly fully God and truly fully man (John 1:1,14); that He lived a perfect, sinless life (1 John 3:5); that all His teachings are true (John 14:6). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all humanity (1 John 2:2) as a substitutionary sacrifice (Isaiah 53:5-6). We hold that His death is sufficient to provide salvation for all who receive Him as Savior (John 1:12; Acts 16:31); that our justification is grounded in the shedding of His blood (Romans 5:9; Ephesians 1:7); and that it is attested by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Matthew 28:6; 1 Peter 1:3). We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven in His glorified body (Acts 1:9-10) and is now seated at the right hand of God as our High Priest and Advocate (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 7:25).Section 4: The Holy Spirit We believe in the deity and personality of the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4). He regenerates sinners (Titus 3:5) and indwells believers (Romans 8:9). He is the agent by whom Christ baptizes all believers into His body (1 Corinthians 12:12-14). He is the seal by whom the Father guarantees the salvation of believers unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14). He is the Divine Teacher who illumines believers' hearts and minds as they study the Word of God (1 Corinthians 2:9-12). We believe that the Holy Spirit is ultimately sovereign in the distribution of spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). We believe that the miraculous gifts of the Spirit, while by no means outside of the Spirit's ability to empower, no longer function to the same degree they did in the early development of the church (1 Corinthians 12:4-11; 2 Corinthians 12:12; Ephesians 2:20; 4:7-12).Section 5: Angels and Demons We believe in the reality and personality of angels. We believe that God created the angels to be His servants and messengers (Nehemiah 9:6; Psalm 148:2; Hebrews 1:14). We believe in the existence and personality of Satan and demons. Satan is a fallen angel who led a group of angels in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:12-15). He is the great enemy of God and man, and the demons are his servants in evil. He and his demons will be eternally punished in the lake of fire (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10).Section 6: Humanity We believe that humanity came into existence by direct creation of God and that humanity is uniquely made in the image and likeness of God (Genesis 1:26-27). We believe that all humanity, because of Adam's fall, has inherited a sinful nature, that all human beings choose to sin (Romans 3:23), and that all sin is exceedingly offensive to God (Romans 6:23). Humanity is utterly unable to remedy this fallen state (Ephesians 2:1-5,12).Section 7: Salvation We believe that salvation is a gift of God's grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross (Ephesians 2:8-9). Christ's death fully accomplished justification through faith and redemption from sin. Christ died in our place (Romans 5:8-9) and bore our sins in His own body (1 Peter 2:24). On the third day after His death, Jesus physically rose again, demonstrating His victory over sin and death (Romans 14:9). We believe salvation is received by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Good works and obedience are results of salvation, not requirements for salvation. Due to the greatness, sufficiency, and perfection of Christ's sacrifice, all those who have truly received Christ as Savior are eternally secure in salvation, kept by God's power, secured and sealed in Christ forever (John 6:37-40; 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; Ephesians 1:13-14; 1 Peter 1:5; Jude 24). Just as salvation cannot be earned by good works, neither does it need good works to be maintained or sustained. Good works and changed lives are the inevitable results of salvation (James 2).Section 8: The Church We believe that the Church, the Body of Christ, is a spiritual organism made up of all believers of this present age (1 Corinthians 12:12-14; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 1:22-23, 5:25-27). We believe in the ordinances of believer's water baptism by immersion as a testimony to Christ and identification with Him, and the Lord's Supper as a remembrance of Christ's death and shed blood (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:8; 1 Corinthians 11:23-26). Through the church, believers are to be taught to obey the Lord and to testify concerning their faith in Christ as Savior and to honor Him by holy living. We believe in the Great Commission as the primary mission of the Church. It is the obligation of all believers to witness, by word and life, to the truths of God's Word. The gospel of the grace of God is to be preached to all the world (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8; 2 Corinthians 5:19-20).Section 9: Things to Come We believe in the blessed hope (Titus 2:13), the personal and imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to rapture His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). We believe in the visible and bodily return of Christ to the earth with His saints to establish His promised millennial kingdom (Zechariah 14:4-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Revelation 3:10, 19:11-16, 20:1-6). We believe in the physical resurrection of all human beings—the saints to everlasting joy and bliss on the New Earth, and the wicked to eternal punishment in the lake of fire (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28-29; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). We believe that the souls of believers are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where they await their resurrection when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until their resurrection when, with soul and body reunited, they shall appear at the Great White Throne judgment and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire to suffer everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46; Mark 9:43-48; Luke 16:19-26; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9; Revelation 20:11-15). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2017 Who is S. Michael Houdmann? Founder of Got Questions. https://www.gotquestions.org/S-Michael-Houdmann.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,205 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 hours ago, missmuffet said: Got Questions statement of faith. Anyone have a problem with this? Section 9: Things to Come We believe in the blessed hope (Titus 2:13), the personal and imminent coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to rapture His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). We believe in the visible and bodily return of Christ to the earth with His saints to establish His promised millennial kingdom (Zechariah 14:4-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Revelation 3:10, 19:11-16, 20:1-6). We believe in the physical resurrection of all human beings—the saints to everlasting joy and bliss on the New Earth, and the wicked to eternal punishment in the lake of fire (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28-29; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). That part I do disagree with - that the saints shall return to earth. There are NO scriptures to support this. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 952 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,573 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,054 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 8, 2017 20 hours ago, Jaydog1976 said: "I read through their statement of faith and it seems pretty legitimate to me and I don't see Calvinist leanings in the statement" Seems to be an oxymoron, for those that adhere to the Bible are Calvinistic by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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