Born again

[tsth]

Its pretty simple-I guess we wont be taking these bodies to the kingdom

Nope, brand new models.  

Thank goodness, cause I need a new one, mines getting pretty outdated!   :butbut:

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

Yea

So why do people talk about being born again, as if it already happened? Scripture points out it happens at the last trumpet.

[tsth]

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.  

Dear Waldan,

It is a rebirth by the receiving of the Word, through the Holy Spirit.  It is a rebirth of believing that which you hear, but that it must be "received".  In the heart.  Within a person.

You must believe that Truth, that is given.  The Truth of Jesus Christ crucified for your sins, and the resurrection, and all that the Word has to say to you.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

1 Peter 3:;[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.[22] Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

[23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God which liveth and abideth for ever.[24] For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:[25] But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

You must believe the Word of the gospel, of which we become Ambassadors.  We are new "creations" in Jesus Christ.

Read 2 Cor. 5. (that might be of interest to you in understanding)

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest C.D. Light]

At the time we were saved, drastic change begins to take place in us; our ways and our thinking, and we are able to understand scripture; a very personal one-on-one relationship begins with the Lord. He begins to lead us, mold us, change us, speak to us, teach us, responds to us privately and personally, etc.  

Its something that starts the moment we accept true salvation.

cd

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

Ok

But the time you are actually "BORN AGAIN" is when Jesus returns(according to scripture).

1COR.15  [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Peter 3 [23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible

[tsth]

Dear Waldan,

Are you trying to say that the Holy Spirit is not received until Christ's physical return?  Because we know that is not true, because the receiving of the Holy Spirit is certainly before that. Because He tells us that is given so that we will not be orphans.  But, if you are speaking of a physical re-birth, yes, spiritual re-birth, occurs with salvation.

Again you might want to look at 2 Cor. 5, particularly 2 Cor. 5:17.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

No Suzzane

Im not saying anything about the Holy Spirit. Im talking about being born again. I just read 2 Cor.5 and verses 5-10 seem to be saying again what ive been trying to say. Suzzane,im gonna stop writing here till i study about being born again.I should never have gottin into this without first trying to see what the WORD actually says about it. Sorry.Talk to ya later.

[tsth]

It's ok Waldans,

No need to apologize to me.  I understand someone trying to understand the Word, and I am not trying to be critical.  The Lord desires that we seek Him through His Word.  So I'll be praying that the Lord will instruct you in what you are seeking to know.  

In His Love,

Suzanne

[RCruise]

Waldens Mountain:

What belief/denomination/Church do you belong to?  Many of us have given Scriptural Truth and Proof that if any are Born Again in Jesus Christ, it occurs before our physical death at the moment we accept, believe and, follow Jesus Christ making Him King over our hearts.  Yet, you seem to keep twisting what is put forth, ignoring a great deal of it and, pushing your own theology of when that occurs.

Christ made it very clear to Nicodemus that unless we are "Born Again", we cannot receive "The Kingdom of God".  And, He spoke again in several places that unless "The Kingdom of God" comes to a man's heart while he "remains" or is "alive", that man is condemned for all eternity.

How much clearer can the Word tell you that you MUST BE Born Again prior to Jesus' return and/or our own physical death (whichever occurs first)??

God Bless.

[Guest Waldans Mountain]

Hi R Cruise

It might appear as im twisting things but im really not. The WORD says to prove all things and hold on to that which is good.Ive heard of things like the rapture and such and when id look into the WORD i would find its just not there.

I belong to no church so i am not pushing any theologys. I just wanna know the truth.

1COR.15  [42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Peter 3 [23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible

Dont ya understand by looking at these 2 scriptures that i might have questions.

Cant ya see that.

resurrection- corruption to incorruption

born again  - corruptible to incorruptable