zorgblar Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Seeker Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 356 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) A atheist and me started talking and their main argument was God can't exist if he existed before time.How do i explain this? Edited November 29, 2017 by zorgblar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.95 Reputation: 7,797 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Brief analogy; a very simple one. Stand at the center of a wagon wheel. On the circumference time is happening slowly. From the center the 'spokes' are various time-lines that converge at different points on the circumference. The circumference is unaware of anything but what is before it, behind it, and where it is currently. As you stand at the fulcrum center-point, you can see or move to any point on the rim of this wheel. That might be the Lord's position. However, He has other wheels He can be involved in as well. They also intersect with His fulcrum at the center, but those wheels are incidental to the others, although the rims, or circumferences intersect as well. Each rim is oblivious to the others. But all meet at the center where God is. As such He is outside of time, but very much a part of it. He keeps those wheels spinning. Wheels within wheels... Edited November 29, 2017 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 God existed before Creation. He exists outside of time and is not subject to the laws that govern His creation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,671 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, zorgblar said: A atheist and me started talking and their main argument was God can't exist if he existed before time.How do i explain this? Time cannot exist without God having created it. Time is a measure made for man by God so that man may see and undertand as prophesies made unfold in front of man's eyes as told to his ancesters many centuries before his own awareness of himself. God has always known us. We on the other hand do not know of time before time at all, and cannot comprehend in depth time after time. But both exist, always have outside of the confines of man's limited ability to comprehend. Edited November 29, 2017 by Neighbor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Time is a physical thing, God is not. Physical things begin and end. God has taught us all through the bible to relate the spiritual to physical examples. Ask them where space begins and ends. Edited November 29, 2017 by Mike 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,671 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,088 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Perhaps the work of Clarence Larkin will help your athiest understand your knowledge, though without the Holy Spirit indwelling them, they will not comprehend the spiritual significance of it. Reference: https://mavcor.yale.edu/conversations/object-narratives/rightly-dividing-word-truth Edited November 29, 2017 by Neighbor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, zorgblar said: How do i explain this? Everything needs a parent (except itself), you cannot just go on and say: If all is created, then something would have to create God. That would mean an infinite recursion, and that is not possible logically. Everything has a source, a starting point, in this case God - The Creator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, zorgblar said: A atheist and me started talking and their main argument was God can't exist if he existed before time.How do i explain this? You can quote many verses to show that time is immaterial to God. Will that change his belief? I don't think so. Atheists like to engage in these debates with an intent to put believers down. To put us down that they are superior to us in knowledge. While they lack true knowledge of God. And how does he explain why God can't exist before time? What is the argument for that? There would be none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, zorgblar said: A atheist and me started talking and their main argument was God can't exist if he existed before time.How do i explain this? Read the Bible to get an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Don't waste your time. Atheists don't want to hear your answers, they want to pull you away from Christ by casting their doubt upon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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