Question for Torah Law Keepers

[MyLordsServant]

3 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Allow me to ask directly; Are you stating you are considering participating in the burning of cities and will use Torah as your reasoning for such an action?

No? That has nothing to do with my original question, for Torah law keepers.

[MyLordsServant]

6 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

IT sure is, but since ONLY GOD is the JUDGE of the law and not us , we have no right to take life from any who has sinned.

DID GOD take us while we were in sin <OR BY MERCY DID HE SEND GRACE INSTEAD.      Their is no judgment against mercy.

WE are not the judge of the law, we are sinners saved and changed by grace .   OUR HEART should be filled with the mercy of GOD.

And this is simple to remember, if one was as wicked as I once was , and then instead of the death I deserved , it was grace instead

then I say  , no matter who does me wrong......LORD forgive them , as you forgave this most wicked man and you did so , not for what I did

for all that I did deserved death,  I was forgiven based on the acts OF ANOTHER and by Grace alone LED TO THAT ONE .    I hope this sinks in deep today.

WE  warn , we are to be grave, but our whole heart should do it because we desire life for the other.   

"But Jesus told them, “Moses wrote this commandment for you because your hearts were hard.

[Neighbor]

No ? or No! Please help me to understand your  interest or cause. Thanks. Torah is a most interesting subject.

 

[Guest shiloh357]

42 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Oh okay, your definition is what I am seeking. The rabbinical laws are not Torah in my understanding. But; if it is to yours then that is the definition to be used here. Personally I would think if all that as Jewish Law, inclusive of both Tanakh and Rabbinic tradition and interpretations makingup Jewish law The 613 "laws:  you reference. I had thought that maybe you were considering Karaite Torah only, or even Kabbalah mysticism. 

So anyway, and more importantly why is it  you envision as part of what you are considering to adhere to,  necessarily causing  destruction of American cities? Are you suggesting one must destroy others in order  to keep Law? 

No, there are 613 commandments in the written Torah.   Those 613 were given by God to Moses.   The rabbinic laws were developed thousands of years later.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, MyLordsServant said:

"But Jesus told them, “Moses wrote this commandment for you because your hearts were hard.

BUT I SAY ,  remember , I SAY unto you that who so ever shall put away.........

JESUS has to be the one we obey.    Paul knew that too.   its why he said,   IF the woman be married to another man while her husband lives

she shall be called an andulteress.      We cannot make void His sayings.   the law did come by MOSES , but grace AND TRUTH by JESUS alone.

My friend , do not worry for me.   Don't think that by living HIS sayings it has brought me any less joy.  IT has ONLY BROUGHT me joy that most do not know and have not

YOU see,  HAPPY is the one who keeps HIS SAYINGS.  so yes, its true by grace I have been a single man for many , many years.

DUE TO I cannot REMARRY.  the key IS RE,     I was once married and cannot be again.  LEST of course my first wife died.  But I wish no such thing on her.

I Have the joy of the LORD and HIS SAYINGS keep me very HAPPY .    most do not see this nor understand

its why often I am asked why I have such peace and joy by people who see this.    WELL..............HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO KEEPS HIS SAYINGS

Then some might ask why I am not married or etc,  WHEN I tell them , they act as though I am under the law

BUT if I am the one under the law.........WHY am I the one who is joy filled and IF they are so joyfilled WHY are they asking me HOW on earth can one be so happy.

WHEN the affections are above on HIM that one has peace no matter what comes against him .  PEROID .

I am trying to do all I can by grace to get the people to just return to JESUS and HIS SAYINGS , for it is what GODS GRACE DID FOR ME , I only extend this offer of grace

to all others...........but man it is shunned by so many now .  so many.  YOU be encouraged and start afresh in the gosples , really soak them up , spend hours in them

and in the letters the true apostles wrote.  The sayings OF JESUS will make clear the EYE and then one can see how to truly help the other out.

IF THE LOVE is for JESUS , then its for HIS SAYINGS above all  things , mother , brother sister , wife husband children.

And believe me , if our heart HAS that love shed by GOD on it .................ITS HIS SAYINGS we love above all, AND THOSE sayings are the ONLY THING we use to

pull the mote out of the others eye.   IT WORKS it truly does.......BUT IT WAS JESUS who said it first ........SO OF COURSE IT WORKS HE CANNOT LIE .

 

[JohnD]

Best thing about Law for believers in Jesus is to realize from the study of Law how great God's Grace is.

I loosely describes the Old Testament as the colorization of the New Testament. New Testament alone give us the black and white picture. The Old Testament fills in all the vivid details of the plan of God (nuances etc.) to save a people unto himself.

Just don't lose sight of the fact that Law drives us to Grace.

[JohnD]

Example, in the NT Jesus is the Christ.

OT tells us what the Christ (Messiah) is.

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, JohnD said:

Best thing about Law for believers in Jesus is to realize from the study of Law how great God's Grace is.

I loosely describes the Old Testament as the colorization of the New Testament. New Testament alone give us the black and white picture. The Old Testament fills in all the details of the plan of God to save a people unto himself.

Just don't lose sight of the fact that Law drives us to Grace.

Absolutely true the law is as a schoolmaster to draw one to Christ.

Due to I was in no church at all when the conviction came that drew me to Christ .

And it was no accident that the ONLY BOOK GOD , yes GOD put me in , it is by grace,  was the BIBLE.

and as I hungred for truth , for a closer walk with GOD , by reading it daily for hours

something in time also occurred.  the more I read the holy book most shun or make void,   the more I began to realize something .

and thus the cry with upmost meaning was heard one night................OH LORD save me from the error of my own wicked ways.......and HE HEARD

and I became HEAVY DEPENDANT on the only savoir WHO DOES SAVE and can CHANGE .     OH yes.............the law says what sin is .........

and if we are being led by GOD...............ITS GOING TO BE A FULL OUT CRY OH LORD SAVE ME FROM THE ERROR OF MY OWN EVIL FLESH .   and HE WILL HEAR.

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Absolutely true the law is as a schoolmaster to draw one to Christ.

Due to I was in no church at all when the conviction came that drew me to Christ .

And it was no accident that the ONLY BOOK GOD , yes GOD put me in , it is by grace,  was the BIBLE.

and as I hungred for truth , for a closer walk with GOD , by reading it daily for hours

something in time also occurred.  the more I read the holy book most shun or make void,   the more I began to realize something .

and thus the cry with upmost meaning was heard one night................OH LORD save me from the error of my own wicked ways.......and HE HEARD

and I became HEAVY DEPENDANT on the only savoir WHO DOES SAVE and can CHANGE .     OH yes.............the law says what sin is .........

and if we are being led by GOD...............ITS GOING TO BE A FULL OUT CRY OH LORD SAVE ME FROM THE ERROR OF MY OWN EVIL FLESH .   and HE WILL HEAR.

AND the only name whereby any can be saved IS JESUS THE CHRIST amen.

So have no hard feelings anyone, when yall see my going full out force fury like a raging pit bull right against the lies of interfaith all inclusive.

I hate that dung pile with righteous hatred .  for it saves none and condemns all who partake of it .

 

[JohnD]

Wonderful.

As I say many times, there is a vast difference between the Church Organism (who Christ died for) and the Church Organization which teach only the traditions of man (which nullifies the word of God). 

My own conversion was in kindergarten 1967 at Gardenside Church, Lexington, Kentucky. The Lord simply moved upon me and I knew from that moment forward I was his.