Helping the People of Israel

[JimR-OCDS]

I hope that you don't believe that all Christians that are Orthodox and Catholics see things as you described.

[Guest shiloh357]

What Israel sold to China, are called "dual-use-wares," equipment that can be used for both civilian and military purposes.

Harpy Drone missiles are used by civilians? 

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No, but the technology in them is not just for military purposes. You may recall that the US sold China something similar under Clinton. ANY technology can be adapted for military purposes.

Nonetheless, no one else seems to feel limited by the "embargo," so Israel cannot be singled out as having done something grossly illegal. No other nation respects the "embargo" so it really is a nonissue. You're just reaching for anything you can find to slam Israel.

[Guest shiloh357]

I hope that you don't believe that all Christians that are Orthodox and Catholics see things as you described.  I personally don't agree with how the Palestinian Christians are treated, but the Jewish Christians have been treated terrible as well. If you are a Christian, you will be persecuted.We are all one body in Christ.

Did you know that Jewish immigrants who converted to Christianity, can not become citizens of Israel? Jewish converts to Christianity from Europe, were shocked when their applications for citizenship were shot down by the Israeli government. On the application form, the question for the applicant's religion, the answer must be Jewish.

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That is who the nation was created for: Jews. In Holland you have to be ethnically Dutch to be a citizen, You have to be Muslim to be a citizen in any Arab country. You have to be Muslim to be a citizen of Pakistan. There are plenty of countries that give priority to their own people over foreigners.

Jews who practice the religion of Judaism are given the priority concern over anyone else of any ethnicity or religion. The nation of Israel is the ONLY Jewish nation, and it was by Jews, and for Jews that the nation was founded they are within their rights to set their own laws for how citizenship is attained in their own country. That is true with any country. So you can stop slamming Israel with your ignorant, anti-Semitic bullcorn. It won't fly here, Jim.

[JimR-OCDS]

The 1967 war a pre-emptive strike by Israel. Supporters of Israel say that they had no choice, that Egypt and Syria, were going to attak and they beat them to the punch.

However, the land grab by Israel in the Golan hieghts was the action, which caused Egypt and Syria, to put troops along the borders. Even then Israeli Defense Minster, Moshe Dayan, admits this fact. See below.

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The Israeli daily, Yediot Aharanot, in its Passover supplement of April 1997, published for the first time notes of a 1976 conversation between Moshe Dayan, Israel

[Guest Zcopeman]

I hope that you don't believe that all Christians that are Orthodox and Catholics see things as you described.

[JimR-OCDS]

Jews who practice the religion of Judaism are given the priority concern over anyone else of any ethnicity or religion.  The nation of Israel is the ONLY Jewish nation, and it was by Jews, and for Jews that the nation was founded they are within their rights to set their own laws for how citizenship is attained in their own country.  That is true with any country.  So you can stop slamming Israel with your ignorant, anti-Semitic bullcorn.  It won't fly here, Jim.

You admit and attempt to justify, that Israel only allows citizenship to Jews, and you no revert to calling me anti-semitic for point out this fact?

Anti-semiticism is a label used unjustly, against anyone who dares to speak about anything that Israel has done, that is wrong.

It's why any politician running for office in the USA, must be silent, when it come's to US/Israeli policies, if he disagrees.

[Guest yod]

You admit and attempt to justify, that Israel only allows citizenship to Jews, and you no revert to calling me anti-semitic for point out this fact?

I think he's pegged you correctly. Not just because of one statement though. Your overall tone is that Israel is guilty...yet you have been repeated shown the facts and refuse to consider them.

Like a rat trying to get cheese off the trap. You don't give up, you just try another angle.

Anti-semiticism is a label used unjustly, against anyone who dares to speak about anything that Israel has done, that is wrong.

Baloney.

Shiloh and I have plenty of gripes about Israel but we don't air them with a bigoted perspective.

For instance, I work to change the very citizenship law you mentioned. Messianic jews are not allowed to be full citizens...but they (and everyone else) are allowed residence in the country unless there are compelling reasons otherwise to stop them.

Pretty much the same thing in every free nation. There are only so many people who can be given citizenship before any nation is over-run by foreigners so you have to set some kind of discriminating criteria.

[Gerioke]

Apparently Bush is starting to distance himself from Israel because of the fermenting situation at Gaza

[JimR-OCDS]

I think he's pegged you correctly. Not just because of one statement though. Your overall tone is that Israel is guilty...yet you have been repeated shown the facts and refuse to consider them.

I have considered them and presented opposing facts, by a reputable scholar, who is also blown off as a nut case.

It's just a matter of which facts you choose to believe, at this point.

Anti-semiticism is a label used unjustly, against anyone who dares to speak about anything that Israel has done, that is wrong.

Baloney.

Shiloh and I have plenty of gripes about Israel but we don't air them with a bigoted perspective.

For instance, I work to change the very citizenship law you mentioned. Messianic jews are not allowed to be full citizens...but they (and everyone else) are allowed residence in the country unless there are compelling reasons otherwise to stop them.

I was called anti-semitic for posting the fact that you say you're working to change.

What I said stands. Unless you give blind support to Israel, you'll be labeled as an anti-semite. Never thought I'd see it in a Christian forum, however.

The fact is, I support Israel's right to exist and I support Israel's legitimate right to defend herself.

I embrace Judaism, for it is the religion where my savior came through.

I oppose Hammas, who's goal is the destruction of Israel. I oppose the violence they use against Israeli's and who ever is in their way.

However, the road to peace will not be won by terrorism followed by retaliation.

Christianity mandates that we be instruments of peace, not revenge. I can not remain silent when injustice is carried out, in order to serve some supposed Biblical or Koranic prophecy, believed by extremist of both sides.

[Guest yod]

Apparently Bush is starting to distance himself from Israel because of the fermenting situation at Gaza

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This disengagement plan is designed by Bush and Sharon together. They are working closely together behind the scenes but he has to appear distant to appease our muslims "friends" in the region.