Bible Colleges / Universities

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, Traveler said:

Look to where these colleges get their money.

There is a reason why things are going off the rails.

I would assume the majority comes from tuition, would you be referring to 501-3C by chance?

[Neighbor]

On 12/25/2017 at 11:58 AM, Dennis1209 said:

I would assume the majority comes from tuition, would you be referring to 501-3C by chance?

Just a reminder church has no need of IRS nor a 501-C 3 from them. The ministries of churches do not have need of IRS nor it's 501-C 3 certification.

Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right which cannot be abridged by statute nor by administrative degrees.

What does happen though is  a temptation to desire the grants from organizations that  want  tax deductions, they will not participate with a Christian school for example that is not a holder of a 501-C 3 status certificate. And so some give up their constitutional right, a right higher than that  of  a governmental agency in order to gain the administrative favor of a government bureaucracy.

 A 301 C 3 might have trouble keeping it's own status if giving to a church but it can give to another 301-C 3.

The question truly becomes is it worth  giving up constitutional rights in order to avoid being taxed and or to reduce taxes? Church is not to be taxed, when it becomes a 301-C 3 of it's own volition it surrenders independence for financial opportunity, the sharing of gains from other charities approved by the IRS with a 301-C 3 status.

[Dennis1209]

3 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Just a reminder church has no need of IRS nor a 501-3C from them. The ministries of churches do not have need of IRS nor it's 501-3C certification.

Freedom of religion is a Constitutional right which cannot be abridged by statute nor by administrative degrees.

What does happen though is  a temptation to desire the grants from organizations that  want  tax deductions, they will not participate with a Christian school for example that is not a holder of a 501-3 C status certificate. And so some give up their constitutional right, a right higher than that  of  a governmental agency in order to gain the administrative favor of a government bureaucracy.

 A 301-3C might have trouble keeping it's own status if giving to a church but it can give to another 301-3C.

The question truly becomes is it worth  giving up constitutional rights in order to avoid being taxed and or to reduce taxes? Church is not to be taxed, when it becomes a 301-3C of it's own volition it surrenders independence for financial opportunity, the sharing of gains from other charities approved by the IRS with a 301-3C status.

Yeah and I totally agree. As a matter of fact, a number of months ago before I asked to become a member of our Baptist Church, one of my questions was, do we participate in the 501-3C, and the answer was yes. I didn't offer my opinion or ask anymore on the topic. I wanted to know about everything I could about their belief's, preaching and government participation's prior to becoming a member. 

As far as I know, the restrictions boil down to politics and political candidates, government criticism and elections you have to be careful of from the pulpit? It's a governmental attempt to regulate the freedom of the church, and I totally agree with your opinion. 

Trump appears he is going to address this issue in the near future if I'm hearing him correctly? At any rate, the government has no business in the church, or the churches affairs. They need to start sticking their noses in what's going on inside of these U.S. Mosques IMHO.

[Neighbor]

 A Survey of the New Testament, by Robert H. Gundry originally published  in 1970 and now in a fifth edition See the  letter of explanation  of objection to it's thesis at

https://old.levitt.com/letters/1998-06

 

 

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, and again Merry Christmas.

Have had some involvement in the issue.   A school can be part of a church have it's members/employees doing ministry work of the church and be under the umbrella of Church alone.

 Or it can file for 301 3C status and be under some government guidelines, and run the risk of having to entertain all types of individuals as part of it's staff.

The basic point is government by our US constitution has no say in church. Church does not have to yield to any government agency's regulations. If it chooses to  enter into commerce thus stepping out from under that constitutional protection it does have need to set up a separate entity at arms length from church itself or apply for and follow IRS decrees for their sanctification and certification. So perhaps it is best not to entertain  being a entity other than church. For once a church  does it opens the flap for the camel that is government.

 

[BeyondET]

21 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, as far as I know, most churches and denominations seek seminary trained Pastors for the pulpit. 

True though is it necessary that can be debated, some would say yes and some would say no.