What kind of Body did Jesus have after His resurrection ?

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Shiloh,

Now my dear father (promoted to glory) used to call me Marylyn, and you reminded me of that, (thanks). Now Quasar mentioned the `glorified` body of the Lord - he said -

If not, provide examples of why the visible glorified body of Jesus, was not the very same as that of His pre-incarnate body, empowered to be materialized and fully physical, when He was resurrected.

Thus it is important to know when the Lord was glorified as per Rev. 1: 13 - 17 and see the difference from when He had just risen.

Marilyn.

If you have an issue with Quasar about that, then you need to take that up with him, not me.    My point, the only point I am trying to make, is that the body of Jesus that came out of the tomb was the same that went into the tomb.    If you have an issue with THAT point, then feel free to make it. 

You don't need to try pull me into your debate with Quasar.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

The point I was making and that you appear unable to understand is that the same body that went into the tomb is the same body that came out.  It HAS to be the same body for Jesus to possess the biblical qualifications to be the Messiah.

To think that God went to the trouble to establish how we would know who the Messiah is, and then discard those qualifications is nonsense.  If the prophetic qualifications don't matter, then why can't I be the Messiah??   Why can't you be the Messiah??

His glorified body will be the same body He had on earth.

What I understand from scripture is that it's the same body changed......I don't know if that's how you are thinking of it or not.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

What I understand from scripture is that it's the same body changed......I don't know if that's how you are thinking of it or not.

It is the same body glorified, imperishable, eternal.   That is the change I have been speaking of.

[Heleadethme]

I think all i can say brother, is that IF we are trying to figure things out with the carnal mind we are going to miss the mark, one way or the other.  I'm just satisfied with what the bible actually says, without adding or taking away from it.  Unless I'm mistaken you seem to be trying to defend a position that doesn't need defending.....Jesus was born of the Jews and salvation is of the Jews, He is the Messiah and King of Israel, and they are loved for the sake of the patriarchs, and I believe Israel will experience national repentance in the end......... and I am in no way denying any of those things, by thought, word or implication. 

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

I think all i can say brother, is that IF we are trying to figure things out with the carnal mind we are going to miss the mark, one way or the other.  I'm just satisfied with what the bible actually says, without adding or taking away from it.  Unless I'm mistaken you seem to be trying to defend a position that doesn't need defending.....Jesus was born of the Jews and salvation is of the Jews, He is the Messiah and King of Israel, and they are loved for the sake of the patriarchs, and I believe Israel will experience national repentance in the end......... and I am in no way denying any of those things, by thought, word or implication. 

I am saying that Jesus is STILL a Jew.   He still has the same body He had on earth and is still of the line of David (Rev. 22:16) and will return to be Israel's Messiah because only a living descendant of David can be the Messiah.

More to the point, It appears to me that you have a problem with Jesus still being Jew.

[Heleadethme]

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I am saying that Jesus is STILL a Jew.   He still has the same body He had on earth and is still of the line of David (Rev. 22:16) and will return to be Israel's Messiah because only a living descendant of David can be the Messiah.

More to the point, It appears to me that you have a problem with Jesus still being Jew.

Good golly......I had a feeling that's what you were thinking.........but where on earth did you get that idea........well never mind, pretty sure I know......it's from the carnal mind which cannot perceive the things of the SPIRIT.  We need to put off the carnal mind and put on the mind of Christ.  This is why Jesus was often misunderstood.

Edited January 4, 2018 by Heleadethme

[Guest shiloh357]

7 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Good golly......I had a feeling that's what you were thinking.........but where on earth did you get that idea........well never mind, pretty sure I know......it's from the carnal mind which cannot perceive the things of the SPIRIT.  We need to put off the carnal mind and put on the mind of Christ.  This is why Jesus was often misunderstood.

I am not being carnal.  Jesus is still Jewish. That's not carnal.    Jesus said He is still Jewish Rev. 22:16: 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
(Rev 22:16)

Is Jesus being carnal by claiming He is still Jewish??? 

[Heleadethme]

6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I am not being carnal.  Jesus is still Jewish. That's not carnal.    Jesus said He is still Jewish Rev. 22:16: 

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
(Rev 22:16)

Is Jesus being carnal by claiming He is still Jewish??? 

Shiloh, you seem to be misunderstanding me because of the carnal mind.......the same as Jesus was misunderstood and wrongly accused by those who couldn't perceive the things of the SPIRIT when He was talking......they accused falsely because they misunderstood.  This is why the Holy SPIRIT is called the Helper.......because we need to depend on His Help to understand spiritual things and not depend on our carnal natural intellect....which is ENMITY with God.  Just as it was ENMITY with Jesus and so they accused Him.  I don't know what your church background is or what you have been taught about these things......but I encourage you to check the scriptures and see if it ain't so, bro. 

[Guest shiloh357]

12 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Shiloh, you seem to be misunderstanding me because of the carnal mind.......the same as Jesus was misunderstood and wrongly accused by those who couldn't perceive the things of the SPIRIT when He was talking......they accused falsely because they misunderstood.  This is why the Holy SPIRIT is called the Helper.......because we need to depend on His Help to understand spiritual things and not depend on our carnal natural intellect....which is ENMITY with God.  Just as it was ENMITY with Jesus and so they accused Him.  I don't know what your church background is or what you have been taught about these things......but I encourage you to check the scriptures and see if it ain't so, bro. 

No, it is not my carnal mind.  It is your refusal to answer questions put to you.   For some reason, and I have noted this in the past, that I can put simple questions to you and you just can't seem to offer a straight answer and you dance around what I am asking.  

So the problem is you, not me.    So you can get off your spiritual high horse.   I realize that just answering a question is just too herculean of a task for you to accomplish.    Accusing me of having a carnal mind just so you can avoid having to address the issue I raised is really where the carnality lies.

[Heleadethme]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not my carnal mind.  It is your refusal to answer questions put to you.   For some reason, and I have noted this in the past, that I can put simple questions to you and you just can't seem to offer a straight answer and you dance around what I am asking.  

So the problem is you, not me.    So you can get off your spiritual high horse.   I realize that just answering a question is just too herculean of a task for you to accomplish.    Accusing me of having a carnal mind just so you can avoid having to address the issue I raised is really where the carnality lies.

You seem to be asking carnal questions that require carnal answers......and I don't even know how to answer that way.  Do you want to know if I deny that Jesus is the root and offspring of David?  Well I do not deny it, I agree with it completely.  But I also know He is the offspring of God.......and as well as being the Messiah of Israel he is the messiah of all nations.......He is the Lord of all lords and King of all kings......do you agree with those things brother, or do you deny the FAITH?