LAWS of Jesus

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, mven222 said:

Christians should be transformed and changed DAILY dying for sins i.e. NOT doing sins to be ready and prepared to pass to the New World.

Christians don't die for sins.  Jesus died for our sins.   Your theology is really, really bad.  

No Christian is sinless; we all stumble at times in a sincere attempt to serve the Lord.   But you seem to make distinction between committing "a" sin and the practice of sin.    You appear to see those as interchangeable when they aren't.

Furthermore, you equate sexual immorality with not keeping the Sabbath day, something the Bible does not do.

Again, where in the NT are Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath day?  

You have still refused to answer my first question:  Do Christians go to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath day?

Can you not answer that very simple question?   Stop dancing around the question and actually answer it.

[GandalfTheWise]

1 hour ago, mven222 said:

Yes, I know these verses. It seems here that Christians can eat any food and the food even offered to idols because in fact idols do not exist in reality.

But the Son of God does NOT think so...lol:

who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.

Revelation 2

 

Christians should be transformed and changed DAILY dying for sins i.e. NOT doing sins to be ready and prepared to pass to the New World. Those who live in sins (sexual immorality or other sins) are in fact NOT born of God (they are sons of devil) as of  1 John 3.

Anyone who continues to live in him (God Jesus) will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.

No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

If anyone says, "I know Him," but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 

Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God's seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
 

10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:10 NIV

Sin falls away from our life because God changes us;  God does not change us because we try to avoid sinning through our own efforts.   Lack of sin is a characteristic of those abiding in Christ;  avoiding sin does not cause us to abide.  It is in drawing closer to God and seeking Him and in His changing us that we start to walk in freedom more and more.  We do not do good works because we try hard to follow God's law; we do good works because we are His handiwork created by Him to do good works.  We do good works because He has changed us and empowered us so that good works naturally flow from us.  Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, self-control, and the like are not things that we strive and work toward;  they are the natural consequence of abiding in Christ.  They are the fruit of the Holy Spirit changing us.  They are not the fruit of our own efforts to do the right thing.

An alcoholic can be locked into a room and never drink alcohol again; but they are not free.  They have avoided the sin of drunkenness, but they are still in bondage to it.  When someone can place a drink in front of them and it has no draw on them; then they are free.   A person addicted to pornography can never look at a computer again and have accountability partners and never look at porn again.  They have avoided the sin, but they are still in bondage to it.   It is when they can sit at a computer with no filters and not have a deep struggle; then they are free.  Keeping the letter of the law is a far different thing than being set free from sin.  Keeping the law is about avoiding sinning; the gospel is about being free from the bondage of sin.

Any teaching and preaching against sin which does not clearly teach that freedom from sin comes from Christ's work in our life is incomplete.  Any teaching or preaching that creates lists of things for Christians to do or not to do without clearly emphasizing that such things are characteristics of the life of a person changed by God falls short of the mark.

 

[mven222]

Judgment, Not Condemnation
By Greg Laurie, www.harvest.org

    For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
    —1 Peter 4:17

Sometimes I think Christians believe they are never to make any evaluations of others, that they are to just be loving toward everyone. While it is true that we should be loving, that also means speaking the truth. In fact, the Bible tells us to speak the truth in love (see Ephesians 4:15). So if I am having lunch with a friend who has spinach in his teeth, then as a friend, I will tell him that. A friend tells a friend the truth, even if it is uncomfortable or awkward.
Then there are bigger matters, like sin. Maybe you see some compromise, some weakness in your friend's life. So you say, "I love you, and because of that, I feel that I need to warn you." Your friend might get upset, because people don't like to be criticized. And the kneejerk response we often hear is, "Don't judge me! Who are you to judge me? Doesn't the Bible say, 'Judge not, that you be not judged'?"
Yet the Bible tells us that judgment begins with the house of God (see 1 Peter 4:17). It even tells us, "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Corinthians 6:2). When we make an evaluation of a person's life, we are, in effect, judging them—and there is nothing wrong with that. What we are to avoid, however, is condemnation. When Jesus said, "Judge not, that you be not judged" (Matthew 7:1), a better translation would be, "Condemn not, that you be not condemned."
Yes, we should make judgments. Yes, we should make evaluations. But we are not in the position to condemn. We are not the judge, jury, and executioner.

[mven222]

54 minutes ago, GandalfTheWise said:

Sin falls away from our life because God changes us;  God does not change us because we try to avoid sinning through our own efforts.

Brother, let me say so: If I will not avoid sinning (killing) DELIBERATELY MAKING MY PART in the process of deliverance from sin, my hand will cut off the head of another man...another victim. lol You see?

To abandon sins/lovers in repentance I should make MY PART - ABANDONING it/abandoning lovers. Conviction makes change in my brain and life. God makes His part: God forgives ONLY if repentance means ABANDONING of sins.

 

Killed? Do not kill anymore. Jesus says.

Had sexual immorality? Do not practice that anymore.

If we STOP committing sins, we are forgiven. If we live in sins and sexual immorality being Christians we are pigs and swine and dogs lying in the mud pit of our sins and our God Jesus promised to vomit us. lol

Edited December 26, 2017 by mven222

[John Robinson]

17 minutes ago, mven222 said:

If we STOP committing sins, we are forgiven. If we live in sins and sexual immorality being Christians we are pigs and swine in the mud pit and our God Jesus promised to vomit us. lol

No, if we accept Christ, we are forgiven.  If we stop sinning (which in these bodies is impossible), it simply means we've stopped. The sins we committed prior to that ceasing are still there, and we're still under condemnation.

I have no idea, none, of where you're getting some of the stuff you're presenting.

[mven222]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

Christians don't die for sins.  Jesus died for our sins.   Your theology is really, really bad.  

 

The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin control your mortal body so that you obey its desires.… Romans 6

Romans 6:2
By no means! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

 

 

Edited December 26, 2017 by mven222

[Guest shiloh357]

10 minutes ago, mven222 said:

The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God. 11So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin control your mortal body so that you obey its desires.… Romans 6

Romans 6:2
By no means! How can we who died to sin live in it any longer?

 

 

Okay, but what does that have to do with Keeping the Sabbath?   Do we have to keep the Sabbath day to remain saved?   Is salvation conditional upon keeping the Sabbath day?

Being dead to sin doesn't mean we die for sin.   Your theology is really warped.

Edited December 26, 2017 by shiloh357

[Guest shiloh357]

32 minutes ago, mven222 said:

 

If we STOP committing sins, we are forgiven.

Not true.   We are forgiven because Jesus died on the cross and paid the penalty for our sin and we have accepted His offer of salvation full and free and we have eternal life.  We stand forgiven and free because of Jesus.   He gets the glory for it all.

[mven222]

28 minutes ago, John Robinson said:

No, if we accept Christ, we are forgiven.  If we stop sinning (which in these bodies is impossible), it simply means we've stopped. The sins we committed prior to that ceasing are still there, and we're still under condemnation.

I have no idea, none, of where you're getting some of the stuff you're presenting.

Honey, I came to you to teach you what your American churches do not teach. lol But American missionaries saved my family from hell. And I express gratitude to Americans ALWAYS.

Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the LORD' -- and you forgave the guilt of my sin (Psalm 32:5).

Our life is a CONSTANT process of SANCTIFICATION! We do not live in sins!!!! No. No Way! But we die to sins DAILY! SANCTIFICATION is when we should be refined like gold from alloys/sins.

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;

 but as he (GOD)  who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct..

14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

  23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

so that I may somehow attain to the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been perfected, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have laid hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead..Phil 3

Not that I have already obtained, or am already made perfect: but I press on, if so be that I may lay hold on that for which also I was laid hold on by Christ Jesus.

Matthew 5:48
Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.

Conformed or Transformed?
By Greg Laurie www.harvest.org

    "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will know what God wants you to do."
    —Romans 12:2

A flock of wild geese was flying south for the winter when one goose looked down and noticed a group of domestic geese by a little pond near a farm. He noticed they had plenty of grain to eat. Life seemed relatively nice for them.
So he flew down and hung out with these geese until spring and enjoyed the food that was there. He decided that he would rejoin his flight of geese when they went north again.
When spring came, he heard them overhead and flew up to join them, but he had grown a bit fat from all of the seed. Flying was difficult, so he decided to spend one more season on the farm and then rejoin the geese on their next winter migration.
When the geese flew south the following fall, the goose flapped his wings a little, but he just kept eating his grain. He had simply lost interest.
That is what happens in the subtle process of the world influencing our lives. It is not necessarily dramatic, nor does it usually happen overnight. It is gradual, causing erosion in our lives as we begin to lower our standards. Soon, the things of God become less appealing, and the things of this world become more appealing. After a while, we have no interest in the things of God.
We have a choice: either we will be conformed to this world, or we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds. It is one or the other.
The only question is, which way will you go?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2017 by mven222

[John Robinson]

42 minutes ago, mven222 said:

Honey, I came to you to teach you what your American churches do not teach. lol

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, pride much? And FYI, I'm a 66-year-old, grizzled MALE Army vet. Which means your "honey" poke falls a bit flat.

And by the way, you can end your posts with as many "lol's" as you wish; it doesn't make your daft theology any more palatable. Or right.

Edited December 26, 2017 by John Robinson