Overwhelming evidence of life on earth before Adam

[Realist]

5 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

Oinion is meaningless without supporting evidence

It's not opinion:

http://www.icr.org/i/pdf/research/rate-all.pdf

http://www.icr.org/rate2

 

 

[n2thelight]

Just wanted to add to the OP

Three World Ages Bible Study

Did you know that there was an earth age before this one? That the earth is really millions of years old? There was a time that we all lived on this earth in our spiritual bodies and everyone was happy. To find out what brought that to an end, read our study on the Rebellion of Satan. These two studies go hand in hand to explain why we are here and what brought the first earth age to an end. I'm not talking about reincarnation as we go though this earth age one time only. In this study we are going to take a look at the first earth age and how God destroyed it.

Genesis 1:1-2

V1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The word 'beginning' is Strong's number 7225 and means re'shiyth (ray-sheeth'); from the same as 7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit).

The word 'created' is Strong's 1254 and means bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

God does not give us a year when He did this, just that He did it "In the beginning". The earth is not 7000 years old as some Christians claim but many millions of years old. It is only the earth age we live in now, the second, that is about 7000 years old. The dinosaur bones and fossils that are found date back more than 7000 years and are from the first earth age.

V2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word 'was' is Strong's number 1961 and means hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).

The words 'without form' is Strong's 8414 and means tohuw (to'-hoo); from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain.

The word 'void' is Strong's 922 and means bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin.

God did not create the earth without form and void but it became that way. God destroyed the first earth age because of the Rebellion of Satan.

Isaiah 45:18
V18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The word 'vain' is the same word that 'without form' is in Genesis 1:2 Strong's 8414. God created the earth to be inhabited but Satan's rebellion caused God to destroy that earth age. That was the first earth age and we now are living in the second earth age. The first earth age as well as the third earth age are spiritual ages meaning we just have our spiritual bodies. It is only in this second earth age that we have flesh and spiritual bodies. Just so you know, I'm not talking about reincarnation. We live in this second earth age one time and one time only. Some people may claim to have lived on earth hundreds or even thousands of years ago but they are possessed by evil sprits. That was going on a lot when Christ was on the earth and I feel it will be happening more and more until Christ returns again.

Now lets go to II Peter and read how God destroyed the first earth age.

II Peter 3:1-8

V1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
V2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Peter wants to remind us of the things that where spoken about by others in the Bible.

V3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
V4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

The word "scoffers" is Strong's 1703 and means empaiktes (emp-aheek-tace'); from 1702; a derider, i.e. (by implication) a false teacher.

The word "lusts" is Strong's 1939 and means epithumia (ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah); from 1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden).

There are many false teachers walking after their own lusts today. They teach the lusts of their own mind and not the true word of God. They teach such lies like Christ will rapture them away before the great tribulation or that the mark of the beast is a chip or tattoo. We also have people that say Christ will never return at all. Then there are groups of people that set a date for Christ to return and when it don't happen they get all bummed out and kill themselves. That just adds fuel for the people that say He is never coming back anyway. Be smart and do what Christ said. Watch and wait. Don't set dates because the only one that knows the date is God. Just get yourself ready for that day by reading God's word so you will not be caught off guard and deceived by Satan.

V5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
V6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

The word "perished" is Strong's 622 and means apollumi (ap-ol'-loo-mee); from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively.

Some people desire to be ignorant to the fact that the earth is more than seven thousand years old when there is scientific proof which God's word aligns with. The dinosaur bones that are found toady are from the first earth age when dinosaurs walked the earth. Satan likes to play a lot of tricks but this is not one of them. Dinosaurs are talked about in God's word by God Himself in the book of Job. Read Job 40:15-24 and all of chapter 41 We were on the earth in our spiritual bodies in the first earth age with the dinosaurs. Because of the rebellion of Satan God destroyed fully that earth age with a flood. This is not talking about Noah's flood which happened in this earth age because it was not destroyed fully.

I Peter 3:20
V20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

V7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This is talking about the earth age we live in now and looking forward to the Lord's day.

V8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God does not count time like we do. It takes a thousand of our years to make one day for God. In the story of creation, God took six days to do it and then rested on the seventh. So, six days for God would be six thousand years for us. The seventh day would be another thousand years to make seven thousand years total. The earth age we live in now is almost seven thousand years old. I'm I saying Christ will return soon? No. I'm not setting a date and you shouldn't either. This is just some food for thought that we all should be getting ready for the day that Christ does return.

Lets go to one more place where it talks about the flood of the first earth age.

Psalms 104:5-9

V5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

As we read in Isaiah 45:18 God created this earth to be inhabited. We all walked this earth in the first earth age when we were in our spiritual bodies. We walk on it now in our flesh bodies and those that go to heaven will be on this earth in their spiritual bodies once again. This earth will never go away and heaven will be on this earth after the great white throne judgment of God.

V6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
V7 At Thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of Thy thunder they hasted away.

The word "hasted" is Strong's 2648 and means chaphaz (khaw-faz'); a primitive root; properly, to start up suddenly, i.e. (by implication) to hasten away, to fear.

We know that this is talking about the flood of the first earth age and not Noah's because in Noah's flood the waters did not hast away. In Genesis chapter 8 we read it took the water in Noah's flood months to dry up. In the first flood, God wanted the earth dry and it was dry, instantly.

V8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which Thou hast founded for them.
V9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

God promised Noah and He is telling us again that He will never flood the earth again like He did in the past.

Now lets document from God's word that we lived in the first earth age. Lets go to the book of Job. Job's whole life fell apart as he was being tested by Satan and spent most of the book talking to his three friends. They all thought that they had the answers to why these things happened to Job. We are going to pick up the story with God's first address to Job.

Job 38:1-7

V1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
V2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
V3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.

God is asking Job why he listens to his friends when they have no idea what they are talking about. God is saying to Job, If you know so much, I'm going to ask you some questions and lets see you answer them. All of mankind put together knows very little compared to the wisdom of God.

V4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
V5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
V6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

God is asking Job where he was when He created the earth. This is something that happened many millions of years ago. God is taking us back to creation and the first earth age.

V7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Not many people shouting for joy now a days. This is looking back in time when we all where happy in heaven and everything was going great. This happened before the rebellion of Satan.

So now we know that there was an earth age before this one that we all lived in. There was no flesh in that earth age as we just had our spiritual bodies. God destroyed the first earth age completely because of the rebellion of Satan and that a third of His children followed Satan. He did that with a flood that covered the whole earth. By reading this study and the rebellion of Satan, you will know the answer to that age old question, "Why are we here?" I'll give you the answer now and it is we are being tested. God want's to know who loves Him and who does not. That's it, plain and simple.

Related Bible Studies:

• Rebellion of Satan
• Rapture of the Church
• Mark of the Beast

http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/threeworldages.htm

[Still Alive]

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Just wanted to add to the OP

Three World Ages Bible Study

Did you know that there was an earth age before this one? That the earth is really millions of years old? There was a time that we all lived on this earth in our spiritual bodies and everyone was happy. To find out what brought that to an end, read our study on the Rebellion of Satan. These two studies go hand in hand to explain why we are here and what brought the first earth age to an end. I'm not talking about reincarnation as we go though this earth age one time only. In this study we are going to take a look at the first earth age and how God destroyed it.

Genesis 1:1-2

V1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The word 'beginning' is Strong's number 7225 and means re'shiyth (ray-sheeth'); from the same as 7218; the first, in place, time, order or rank (specifically, a firstfruit).

The word 'created' is Strong's 1254 and means bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

God does not give us a year when He did this, just that He did it "In the beginning". The earth is not 7000 years old as some Christians claim but many millions of years old. It is only the earth age we live in now, the second, that is about 7000 years old. The dinosaur bones and fossils that are found date back more than 7000 years and are from the first earth age.

V2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word 'was' is Strong's number 1961 and means hayah (haw-yaw); a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).

The words 'without form' is Strong's 8414 and means tohuw (to'-hoo); from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain.

The word 'void' is Strong's 922 and means bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin.

God did not create the earth without form and void but it became that way. God destroyed the first earth age because of the Rebellion of Satan.

Isaiah 45:18
V18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The word 'vain' is the same word that 'without form' is in Genesis 1:2 Strong's 8414. God created the earth to be inhabited but Satan's rebellion caused God to destroy that earth age. That was the first earth age and we now are living in the second earth age. The first earth age as well as the third earth age are spiritual ages meaning we just have our spiritual bodies. It is only in this second earth age that we have flesh and spiritual bodies. Just so you know, I'm not talking about reincarnation. We live in this second earth age one time and one time only. Some people may claim to have lived on earth hundreds or even thousands of years ago but they are possessed by evil sprits. That was going on a lot when Christ was on the earth and I feel it will be happening more and more until Christ returns again.

Now lets go to II Peter and read how God destroyed the first earth age.

II Peter 3:1-8

V1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
V2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Peter wants to remind us of the things that where spoken about by others in the Bible.

V3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
V4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

The word "scoffers" is Strong's 1703 and means empaiktes (emp-aheek-tace'); from 1702; a derider, i.e. (by implication) a false teacher.

The word "lusts" is Strong's 1939 and means epithumia (ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah); from 1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden).

There are many false teachers walking after their own lusts today. They teach the lusts of their own mind and not the true word of God. They teach such lies like Christ will rapture them away before the great tribulation or that the mark of the beast is a chip or tattoo. We also have people that say Christ will never return at all. Then there are groups of people that set a date for Christ to return and when it don't happen they get all bummed out and kill themselves. That just adds fuel for the people that say He is never coming back anyway. Be smart and do what Christ said. Watch and wait. Don't set dates because the only one that knows the date is God. Just get yourself ready for that day by reading God's word so you will not be caught off guard and deceived by Satan.

V5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
V6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

The word "perished" is Strong's 622 and means apollumi (ap-ol'-loo-mee); from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively.

Some people desire to be ignorant to the fact that the earth is more than seven thousand years old when there is scientific proof which God's word aligns with. The dinosaur bones that are found toady are from the first earth age when dinosaurs walked the earth. Satan likes to play a lot of tricks but this is not one of them. Dinosaurs are talked about in God's word by God Himself in the book of Job. Read Job 40:15-24 and all of chapter 41 We were on the earth in our spiritual bodies in the first earth age with the dinosaurs. Because of the rebellion of Satan God destroyed fully that earth age with a flood. This is not talking about Noah's flood which happened in this earth age because it was not destroyed fully.

I Peter 3:20
V20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

V7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This is talking about the earth age we live in now and looking forward to the Lord's day.

V8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God does not count time like we do. It takes a thousand of our years to make one day for God. In the story of creation, God took six days to do it and then rested on the seventh. So, six days for God would be six thousand years for us. The seventh day would be another thousand years to make seven thousand years total. The earth age we live in now is almost seven thousand years old. I'm I saying Christ will return soon? No. I'm not setting a date and you shouldn't either. This is just some food for thought that we all should be getting ready for the day that Christ does return.

Lets go to one more place where it talks about the flood of the first earth age.

Psalms 104:5-9

V5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

As we read in Isaiah 45:18 God created this earth to be inhabited. We all walked this earth in the first earth age when we were in our spiritual bodies. We walk on it now in our flesh bodies and those that go to heaven will be on this earth in their spiritual bodies once again. This earth will never go away and heaven will be on this earth after the great white throne judgment of God.

V6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
V7 At Thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of Thy thunder they hasted away.

The word "hasted" is Strong's 2648 and means chaphaz (khaw-faz'); a primitive root; properly, to start up suddenly, i.e. (by implication) to hasten away, to fear.

We know that this is talking about the flood of the first earth age and not Noah's because in Noah's flood the waters did not hast away. In Genesis chapter 8 we read it took the water in Noah's flood months to dry up. In the first flood, God wanted the earth dry and it was dry, instantly.

V8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which Thou hast founded for them.
V9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

God promised Noah and He is telling us again that He will never flood the earth again like He did in the past.

Now lets document from God's word that we lived in the first earth age. Lets go to the book of Job. Job's whole life fell apart as he was being tested by Satan and spent most of the book talking to his three friends. They all thought that they had the answers to why these things happened to Job. We are going to pick up the story with God's first address to Job.

Job 38:1-7

V1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
V2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
V3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.

God is asking Job why he listens to his friends when they have no idea what they are talking about. God is saying to Job, If you know so much, I'm going to ask you some questions and lets see you answer them. All of mankind put together knows very little compared to the wisdom of God.

V4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
V5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
V6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

God is asking Job where he was when He created the earth. This is something that happened many millions of years ago. God is taking us back to creation and the first earth age.

V7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Not many people shouting for joy now a days. This is looking back in time when we all where happy in heaven and everything was going great. This happened before the rebellion of Satan.

So now we know that there was an earth age before this one that we all lived in. There was no flesh in that earth age as we just had our spiritual bodies. God destroyed the first earth age completely because of the rebellion of Satan and that a third of His children followed Satan. He did that with a flood that covered the whole earth. By reading this study and the rebellion of Satan, you will know the answer to that age old question, "Why are we here?" I'll give you the answer now and it is we are being tested. God want's to know who loves Him and who does not. That's it, plain and simple.

Related Bible Studies:

• Rebellion of Satan
• Rapture of the Church
• Mark of the Beast

http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/threeworldages.htm

Though much of what you say there may make sense and, in fact, may at least not be contradicted by the bible, I have a hard time with the hypothesis that "we" were in "spiritual bodies" before this age. I don't see any scripture supporting that. 

That being said, I think this goes a little bit along with Mormon teaching regarding all of us being "immortal" spirits that existed before we entered these earthly bodies. 

But I'm not Mormon, and that belief is one of the reasons why. I believe our souls are not immortal unless we are born again, and I believe we have a beginning, and it is when God places the soul in the fetus/embryo.

[Quasar93]

7 hours ago, Realist said:

It's not opinion:

http://www.icr.org/i/pdf/research/rate-all.pdf

http://www.icr.org/rate2

 

 

 

 

Your previous post was nothing but opinion!  Capiche?!

 

Quasar93

[Realist]

1 hour ago, Quasar93 said:

Your previous post was nothing but opinion!  Capiche?!

LOL! Is that all you got?

There is no way you could have read or absorbed the info I took the time to post that supports what you call my "opinion".  I took the time to read what you presented.  And your one liners and lack of considering contradictory research and evidence shows you are not objective, a scientist or a critical thinker.  There are real scientists and archeologists who actually  have invested a lifetime in these fields of research dispelling the fraudulent theories in search of the real truths.

My weather example in logic has already dispelled your  OPINION as man cannot accurately forecast the past.   We cannot know all the different conditions that have existed on Earth and to which rocks may have been subject.  So, the emphatic statement that decay rates are absolutely constant overall in time is a belief, or a OPINION, not a fact. So radiometric dating is not objective.

For example:

Even while molten rock is liquid, radioactive isotopes will decay producing daughter isotopes and these will be able to move in the liquid to ascertain extent. But when the magma solidifies it is assumed that the rock becomes a closed system and all subsequent changes between the parent and daughter are locked inside the solid rock.  So can we calculate the age of the rock?  No, because we don’t know how much of the daughter isotope was in the rock when it solidified.

So how can we calculate a date?  We would have to "assume" how much daughter element was in the rock when it formed.  Another difficulty can arise if a rock has undergone metamorphism, that is, if the rock got very hot, but not hot enough to completely re-melt the rock.  Some of the minerals may have completely melted, while others did not melt at all, so some minerals try to give the igneous age while other minerals try to give the metamorphic age.  In these cases, the dates look confused, and do not lie along a line.  This is the fatal flaw of radiometric dating.  And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

That the earth is still degassing is also a problem for old earthers, but the age can be salvaged by making assumptions or OPINIONS about the radioactive decay of material in the mantle—all of which cannot be observed.

The French philosopher Laplace (1749–1827) published his nebula hypothesis in 1796. When Napoleon commented that Laplace never mentioned the Creator, Laplace said, ‘I do not need that hypothesis’. You materialists continually make this assertion, that you can explain everything without the Creator Elohim, but that is not true.  Observations in our solar system are more and more contradicting the nebula hypothesis, which is repeatedly salvaged and reinvented by inventing more and more secondary hypotheses, which are more and more miraculous in their effect.

The point is that the interpretive framework drives the interpretation of the evidence.

The Bible says that death and decay is the consequence of mankind’s sin, but if the world is millions of years old then death and decay was here long before man sinned and death or decay has nothing to do with sin.

The age of the earth is foundational to the  scriptures and belief in Elohim the Creator.

As Believers in the Most High we are supposed to understand things in spirit and in truth. We are currently residing in this three dimensional construct but our spirit, soul, and thoughts are capable of going beyond our present confines into other dimensions.  The supernatural cannot be explained by three dimensional science.

No need for another one-liner reply as I will sign-off this thread  for lack of time and interest in further one-liner discussion and will probably ignore any other posts I see from you in the future.

[1to3]

13 hours ago, n2thelight said:

God is asking Job where he was when He created the earth. This is something that happened many millions of years ago. God is taking us back to creation and the first earth age.

V7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hello peace to you n2thelight, I read everything you wrote but I believe in the six day creation that the holy bible mentions, and God created the STARS=angels on the 4th day of His six Day creation.

Genesis ch1:14-19

¹⁴ Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; ¹⁵ and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. ¹⁶ Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. ¹⁷ God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, ¹⁸ and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. ¹⁹ So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Gods creation was ALL good up until after His day of rest on the seventh day.

 

Genesis ch1 v ³¹ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[HAZARD]

God did a real good job the first time round only Lucifer and one third of God's angels who were in charge back then decided they were going to ascend into Heaven and be like the most High, only to be cast out of Heaven and the Earth totally destroyed.

Isa. 12:14-14.   V, 12, How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,7 son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    13, For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    14, I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

[Quasar93]

9 hours ago, Realist said:

LOL! Is that all you got?

There is no way you could have read or absorbed the info I took the time to post that supports what you call my "opinion".  I took the time to read what you presented.  And your one liners and lack of considering contradictory research and evidence shows you are not objective, a scientist or a critical thinker.  There are real scientists and archeologists who actually  have invested a lifetime in these fields of research dispelling the fraudulent theories in search of the real truths.

My weather example in logic has already dispelled your  OPINION as man cannot accurately forecast the past.   We cannot know all the different conditions that have existed on Earth and to which rocks may have been subject.  So, the emphatic statement that decay rates are absolutely constant overall in time is a belief, or a OPINION, not a fact. So radiometric dating is not objective.

For example:

Even while molten rock is liquid, radioactive isotopes will decay producing daughter isotopes and these will be able to move in the liquid to ascertain extent. But when the magma solidifies it is assumed that the rock becomes a closed system and all subsequent changes between the parent and daughter are locked inside the solid rock.  So can we calculate the age of the rock?  No, because we don’t know how much of the daughter isotope was in the rock when it solidified.

So how can we calculate a date?  We would have to "assume" how much daughter element was in the rock when it formed.  Another difficulty can arise if a rock has undergone metamorphism, that is, if the rock got very hot, but not hot enough to completely re-melt the rock.  Some of the minerals may have completely melted, while others did not melt at all, so some minerals try to give the igneous age while other minerals try to give the metamorphic age.  In these cases, the dates look confused, and do not lie along a line.  This is the fatal flaw of radiometric dating.  And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

That the earth is still degassing is also a problem for old earthers, but the age can be salvaged by making assumptions or OPINIONS about the radioactive decay of material in the mantle—all of which cannot be observed.

The French philosopher Laplace (1749–1827) published his nebula hypothesis in 1796. When Napoleon commented that Laplace never mentioned the Creator, Laplace said, ‘I do not need that hypothesis’. You materialists continually make this assertion, that you can explain everything without the Creator Elohim, but that is not true.  Observations in our solar system are more and more contradicting the nebula hypothesis, which is repeatedly salvaged and reinvented by inventing more and more secondary hypotheses, which are more and more miraculous in their effect.

The point is that the interpretive framework drives the interpretation of the evidence.

The Bible says that death and decay is the consequence of mankind’s sin, but if the world is millions of years old then death and decay was here long before man sinned and death or decay has nothing to do with sin.

The age of the earth is foundational to the  scriptures and belief in Elohim the Creator.

As Believers in the Most High we are supposed to understand things in spirit and in truth. We are currently residing in this three dimensional construct but our spirit, soul, and thoughts are capable of going beyond our present confines into other dimensions.  The supernatural cannot be explained by three dimensional science.

No need for another one-liner reply as I will sign-off this thread  for lack of time and interest in further one-liner discussion and will probably ignore any other posts I see from you in the future.

 

The following is the extent of your post I responded to, consisting of one paragraph, genius.

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You are just regurgitating your indoctrinated hypothesizes with little or no real research or experience of these sciences.  Some of these theories  and dating techniques have already been challenged and proven to be flawed.  "Observation and logic conclusively show" that if man cannot predict, with accuracy, what the typical weather pattern will actually be, from day to day, that he cannot be trusted with regressing back 6000 plus years in time and dictate anything that transpired in that age.<<<

Edited yesterday at 06:08 PM by Realist

 

 

Quasar93

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On 3/25/2018 at 1:12 AM, MorningGlory said:

How is your comment an answer to what Shiloh posted?  Hint; it isn't.

On 3/19/2018 at 3:14 PM, shiloh357 said:

While Genesis speaks only of human death, which includes both spiritual and physical sickness/disease death, the Bible in other places indicates that animal death is a result of  the fall of man.  Human and animal death did not exist prior to Adam's fall and was not engineered into creation by God.   

We know this in part because pain, disease, sickness and death, of any sort, will not be part of the new earth and new heavens when sin is eradicated and the curse of the fall is reversed.

 

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On 3/25/2018 at 8:00 AM, one.opinion said:

The hypothesis among young earth creationists is that birds of prey (and all other carnivores, for that matter) had drastically different diets before the fall of mankind and subsequent entry of sin into the world. The digestive anatomy (dentition, in particular) drastically changed in the time between the Fall and Noah’s flood (plenty of fossils exhibit anatomy suitable for carnivorous diets) to accommodate the severe shift in diet. I’m not saying I agree with it, just presenting the hypothesis.

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