Greater & Lesser

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Not me said:

If you think the scripture teaches that humility is greater than love. That’s fine. I think humility is that thing that makes love possible, but we all understand words just a little different.  As long as it is what you feel your personal relationship with Christ is teaching  you. For getting to know Him in all reality and truth is that thing that teaches us all things. 

Much love in Christ, Mot me

I am not trying to make any comparison between love and humility,  and don't see scripture doing that anywhere that I can think of......just that humility is what makes one greater or lesser in the kingdom of heaven (since that was the specific question being asked). 

It's the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things actually and the words of scripture mean what GOD meant them to mean....and who knows the mind of God but the Spirit?  So that is why HE teaches us:

 Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

How do we know if what we are learning is true......by testing it against the word of God.  We need to test everything, test the spirits.....always.  Because the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.....and these are perilous days.  Bless you.

[Not me]

4 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

I am not trying to make any comparison between love and humility,  and don't see scripture doing that anywhere that I can think of......just that humility is what makes one greater or lesser in the kingdom of heaven (since that was the specific question being asked). 

It's the Holy Spirit who teaches us all things actually and the words of scripture mean what GOD meant them to mean....and who knows the mind of God but the Spirit?  So that is why HE teaches us:

 Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

How do we know if what we are learning is true......by testing it against the word of God.  We need to test everything, test the spirits.....always.  Because the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.....and these are perilous days.  Bless you.

Are you not in fact comparing humility against love by saying humility is greater in heaven than love? I say humility is the cause of love. For God is Love. Humility is that thing which causes a man to  be able to be filled with God. For pride was that thing that caused satan to fall and it was humility that caused Christ to be glorified. So pride and humility are set one against the other, as the cause of one being damned and One being glorified. So if you wanted to say your understanding of scripture teaches you that humility is greater in heaven than God (for God is love) than please be at peace. For my point was, as you stated “what makes one man greater in the Kingdom of God than the other” and my answer was, the ability to love the other individual more, (having more of God manifested in and through them.) And went on to explain way. If you see things differently be at peace,  for it is what the Spirit of God in a man is showing a man that is of importance. For scripture says “have that faith between you and God” So I will by no means belittle your faith for I believe we are arguing “over words and not after Christ”.  For to do damage to another,  for whom Christ died is a detestable thing to me. And I pray God I never do such a thing. 

Much love in Christ, Not me

Edited April 16, 2018 by Not me

[Heleadethme]

5 hours ago, Not me said:

Are you not in fact comparing humility against love by saying humility is greater in heaven than love? I say humility is the cause of love. For God is Love. Humility is that thing which causes a man to  be able to be filled with God. For pride was that thing that caused satan to fall and it was humility that caused Christ to be glorified. So pride and humility are set one against the other, as the cause of one being damned and One being glorified. So if you wanted to say your understanding of scripture teaches you that humility is greater in heaven than God (for God is love) than please be at peace. For my point was, as you stated “what makes one man greater in the Kingdom of God than the other” and my answer was, the ability to love the other individual more, (having more of God manifested in and through them.) And went on to explain way. If you see things differently be at peace,  for it is what the Spirit of God in a man is showing a man that is of importance. For scripture says “have that faith between you and God” So I will by no means belittle your faith for I believe we are arguing “over words and not after Christ”.  For to do damage to another,  for whom Christ died is a detestable thing to me. And I pray God I never do such a thing. 

Much love in Christ, Not me

Whoever would be greatest in heaven........is not comparing man with God, but man with man.

What I wanted to kindly show, is that if what we are learning is not in agreement with the word of God, then we need to know it isn't God's Spirit teaching us, but another.  The Holy Spirit does not teach us to go beyond God's own word in going beyond what is written.  He does not teach us things that scripture does not teach.......but He helps us to rightly divide the word of truth.

"For to do damage to another,  for whom Christ died is a detestable thing to me. And I pray God I never do such a thing."

Understand that God's ways are not man's ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts...but are higher than ours.  Likewise His love is not like ours either, for the word of God says "faithful are the wounds of a friend" and "let a wise man rebuke me, it is a kindness", and that our God wounds as well as binds up.  It is up to the person whether they humbly between them and God will allow His word to correct any wrong concepts they are believing, or not....but to believe error means they are going astray of Christ and that puts them in danger of their souls.  Our thoughts can take flight and conceive and imagine all kinds of things depending on how we handle scripture......remember the Tree of Knowledge was in the same Garden where their food was......this is why we need our thoughts to be taken captive by Christ, to not go beyond what HE means by a thing.......and in our building up, to remain grounded and anchored to the foundation.  I implore you to consider these things......there is a true spirituality that is of the Lord, as well as a very real false one that leads not to Christ but to the son of perdition......so we must test ourselves, test all our thoughts against the word of God and humbly let His word correct any thoughts that are going astray of His truth, outside the safety of His sheepfold.

[Not me]

22 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Whoever would be greatest in heaven........is not comparing man with God, but man with man.

What I wanted to kindly show, is that if what we are learning is not in agreement with the word of God, then we need to know it isn't God's Spirit teaching us, but another.  The Holy Spirit does not teach us to go beyond God's own word in going beyond what is written.  He does not teach us things that scripture does not teach.......but He helps us to rightly divide the word of truth.

"For to do damage to another,  for whom Christ died is a detestable thing to me. And I pray God I never do such a thing."

Understand that God's ways are not man's ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts...but are higher than ours.  Likewise His love is not like ours either, for the word of God says "faithful are the wounds of a friend" and "let a wise man rebuke me, it is a kindness", and that our God wounds as well as binds up.  It is up to the person whether they humbly between them and God will allow His word to correct any wrong concepts they are believing, or not....but to believe error means they are going astray of Christ and that puts them in danger of their souls.  Our thoughts can take flight and conceive and imagine all kinds of things depending on how we handle scripture......remember the Tree of Knowledge was in the same Garden where their food was......this is why we need our thoughts to be taken captive by Christ, to not go beyond what HE means by a thing.......and in our building up, to remain grounded and anchored to the foundation.  I implore you to consider these things......there is a true spirituality that is of the Lord, as well as a very real false one that leads not to Christ but to the son of perdition......so we must test ourselves, test all our thoughts against the word of God and humbly let His word correct any thoughts that are going astray of His truth, outside the safety of His sheepfold.

I think I see where the confusion is, scripture says “that who ever would be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven let him be the servant of all” in other words the lowest or the humblest. These words are to encourage one to “humanity” and for purpose so that “God may lift one up.” The more humble (humility) one has/is, the more God can lift that believer up. He does this by manifesting Himself in that believer. Now after our passing (death) those that have had more humility will have had more of Christ formed in them. So they will be able to manifest more of God through out eternity. Or burn,  shine brighter or whatever terminology you want to use. I chose to use the terminology of love because God is love. So it only follows that he that can manifest more of God (love) in heaven is greater than he that can manifest less of God (love). But I see you are trying to be as open and honest and walk in all your understanding many blessings to you. I appreciate the love you shown.    

Much love in Christ, Not me

Edited April 16, 2018 by Not me

[Heleadethme]

42 minutes ago, Not me said:

I think I see where the confusion is, scripture says “that who ever would be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven let him be the servant of all” in other words the lowest or the humblest. These words are to encourage one to “humanity” and for purpose so that “God may lift one up.” The more humble (humility) one has/is, the more God can lift that believer up. He does this by manifesting Himself in that believer. Now after our passing (death) those that have had more humility will have had more of Christ formed in them. So they will be able to manifest more of God through out eternity. Or burn,  shine brighter or whatever terminology you want to use. I chose to use the terminology of love because God is love. So it only follows that he that can manifest more of God (love) in heaven is greater than he that can manifest less of God (love). But I see you are trying to be as open and honest and walk in all your understanding many blessings to you. I appreciate the love you shown.    

Much love in Christ, Not me

Not me....I have noticed in my life that it's better to keep it simple and just receive the word as it is.  The more I complicate it, the more my own carnal mind is involved, which I understand is enmity with God.  When we just receive and accept what His word simply says, with the Help and illumination of HIS Spirit, then HIS word finds entrance in us and it will not return void.  One of the reasons He gave us His word is because it is profitable to correct our wandering thoughts and imaginations.

One time I asked the Lord to show me His glory (glory is beauty).....and He showed me a diamond prism....I can't explain it very well to do it justice, but it was like all the indescribably magnificent greatness and power and attributes of His being like the colours of a rainbow, concentrated down into a pure white brilliant light of a beautiful diamond.....Jesus.  Who left all His power and glory and status of heaven to become a servant of undeserving man.  I even wonder if this could be the white stone that He gives, spoken of in Revelation.  To worship the Lord in the beauty (glory) of holiness.....to be as one who serves and not as one who is served.  God is love, but His glory is His beautiful humility.  He is so humble He even magnifies His word above His name.  And that according to scripture is what makes one greater or lesser in the kingdom of heaven, which remember is now within/among us......so I think it is not talking about afterwards so much, but how we should live our lives on earth now.  And we also likewise need to magnify His word above our own thoughts.

[Not me]

57 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Not me....I have noticed in my life that it's better to keep it simple and just receive the word as it is.  The more I complicate it, the more my own carnal mind is involved, which I understand is enmity with God.  When we just receive and accept what His word simply says, with the Help and illumination of HIS Spirit, then HIS word finds entrance in us and it will not return void.  One of the reasons He gave us His word is because it is profitable to correct our wandering thoughts and imaginations.

One time I asked the Lord to show me His glory (glory is beauty).....and He showed me a diamond prism....I can't explain it very well to do it justice, but it was like all the indescribably magnificent greatness and power and attributes of His being like the colours of a rainbow, concentrated down into a pure white brilliant light of a beautiful diamond.....Jesus.  Who left all His power and glory and status of heaven to become a servant of undeserving man.  I even wonder if this could be the white stone that He gives, spoken of in Revelation.  To worship the Lord in the beauty (glory) of holiness.....to be as one who serves and not as one who is served.  God is love, but His glory is His beautiful humility.  He is so humble He even magnifies His word above His name.  And that according to scripture is what makes one greater or lesser in the kingdom of heaven, which remember is now within/among us......so I think it is not talking about afterwards so much, but how we should live our lives on earth now.  And we also likewise need to magnify His word above our own thoughts.

I see this this what your personal relationship with Christ is teaching you, so I will say no more. Blessing to you and may you have an increase in Christ in your innermost being. 

Much love in Christ,  Not me

[Heleadethme]

10 minutes ago, Not me said:

I see this this what your personal relationship with Christ is teaching you, so I will say no more. Blessing to you and may you have an increase in Christ in your innermost being. 

Much love in Christ,  Not me

He is one and the same God, and leads us all into the SAME truth by the same mind of Christ and same Holy Spirit so that we will all bear His same image and likeness.....we need to be careful and test everything against His word.  Whatever HE teaches us will agree with His word....the same word that I hope we are all looking in to.  We can choose to follow our own mind or the mind of Christ.....that is the urgent message I wanted to get across, and not at all arguing about semantics.  I'm sorry but I just am not in agreement with what you are bringing then.  I wish you well in the Lord.

[Not me]

As long it is Him we look, we will get our “well done thou good and faithful servant(s)”

much love in Christ, Not me 

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 minutes ago, Not me said:

As long it is Him we look, we will get our “well done thou good and faithful servant(s)”

much love in Christ, Not me 

BUT the HIM we LOOK to , better be in full agreement with the JESUS in the bible.  if not we looking to the wrong jesus . 

 

[Not me]

3 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

BUT the HIM we LOOK to , better be in full agreement with the JESUS in the bible.  if not we looking to the wrong jesus . 

 

“By their fruits shall you know them”

much love in Christ, Not me