Born again, a “real” birth.

[Gideon]

10 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Here let a proverb sum it up .     LORD give me neither poverty nor riches .   lest I become full and deny thee,  or lest I steal and take thy name in vain.

STEAL .  THOU shall not steal .     HMMMMM    so what does taking GODS name n vain REALLY MEAN .      WELL saying HIS NAME , but not OBEYING HIM .

Saying his name , but living in sin .     Saying his name yet living like the world do.      IT IS something that infuriates the LORD .

Lets use what Elijah told those who served baal .    the message FROM GOD himself .     IF you want to go serve baal,  THEN GO,  GO SERVE BAAL

but LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT .     OH GOD HATES the blending of religions DONT HE .   someone needs to tell that to the POPE and this emergent and all inclusive movement .

The question is, how much sin does one have to commit again and again, even if every time he trusts he is forgiven, before the Lord simply sees the man is taking advantage of His mercy. 

I fully believe that for new Christians, a man can fall multiple times a day and each time, with repentance, he can be fully restored to fellowship with the Lord. But what of a man or woman who has now walked ten years  in the Lord. At what point does the Lord perceive he is really not seeking a way out of sin at all, and is using grace as a covering to continue to “sin a little”  without ever truly needing to be changed. 

Rhe Lord sees deep into our thoughts and the intents of our hearts. Are we longing as Paul did to be freed from a nature where sin is never truly defeated, or are we simply hiding under a false grace that allows us to live pretty much as we want, as long as we do not commit the “biggies”..... adultery, theft, murder? 

Walking in holiness is far more than avoiding the breaking of the Ten Commandments. It is yielding to His leading in all areas of our life, obeying His voice in ALL things. 

The question is, do we believe this is possible? If not, then we need to specify how much sin we CAN commit so we can always stay on the safe side of judgment. How much is too much?  And if our answer is that one willful sin is too many, then the question needs to become “Lord, I need a miracle! How do I obey you in all rhings??”

Blessings, 

Gideon

[frienduff thaylorde]

Do you see what I see? What was the purpose of that man’s hearts he looked on a woman? To lust. That is why he looked. Right? If I am surfing the internet and decide to look at porn, I am not doing so to for any other reason than to lust. Correct? So I have already sinned. However if I am surfing the internet and a photo of an attractive woman comes across my screen, and the temptation all of a sudden hits me like a ton of bricks, have I sinned? Nope. Not yet.

and the first part of this is true .    IF we intentionally GO looking WE have already SINNED .   but if a temptation just suddenly hits us ,   WE aint sinned,   YET , YET , YET

but we will if we refuse to heed the SPIRIT which says CEASE CEASE CEASE .    THE SPIRIT is real.   its not just some good idea .  ITS ALIVE and IT IS REAL and IT IS HOLY.

And if we heed the SPIRIT ,  I prpomise ,   WE WOULD NOT FULLFILL the lusts of the flesh .  A FACT that no man can deny  , but many do . 

ITS TIME to follow the SPIRIT or risk it all .    For a man IS the SERVANT of whom he obeys .  THIS IS a  fact that will not be denied ,  no matter how many try and say otherwise .

THIS is why the early church was SO huge on being very serious about error .     I never heard paul or james , OR CHRIST for that matter

ever tell a person ,   HEY GOD IS LOVE ,   MAN he understands we cant truly stop sinning .   HE DOES .  THEN WHY when he walked the earth

DID HE say GO AND SIN NO MORE .   AND WHY DID HE TRULY DIE on that cross.  WHY,   oh we hear HALF the story ,   HE paid the price of our sins .

And what a rejoicing that IS ,   but WAIT ,    their is more .    HE , took on our SINS on that tree , in his body , SO THAT WE being DEAD TO SIN SHOULD < SHOULD < SHOULD live unto RIGHTEOUSNESS.   BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED .   and a partial healing IS NO HEALING .   IT MEANS HEALED of the sin bruise

\that henceforth we would not serve SIN , but SERVE HIM in the new and living way BY THE POWER of the SPIRIT called HOLY .    BE YE HOLY FOR GOD IS HOLY

AWAKE to righteousness and sin NOT .     Either we believe or we don't .   As for me ,   JESUS is able to do ALL HE SAID HE WOULD .  and HE came to set

the slaves to sin , FREE FROM SIN .    not free IN SIN ,   FREE FROM SIN .  FOR a man is the servant OF WHOM HE OBEYS , wherther of sin unto death

or Obediance unto righteousness.     THEREFORE we must be diligent , viligent and preach CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED .  NOTICE paul said CRUCIFIED .

SO preach the WHOLE MESSAGE OF HIS CRUCIFIED .  which includes THAT WE BEING DEAD TO SIN SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS.

most folks may preach JESUS  , but they don't preach HIM CRUCIFIED,   they preach another JESUS and that is very dangerous and so scary for them.

BUT I have hope that many will start reading their bibles FRESH again and really start seeking , knocking and asking for the things that are PLEASING to GOD

to be put on their hearts .

[Gideon]

11 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Do you see what I see? What was the purpose of that man’s hearts he looked on a woman? To lust. That is why he looked. Right? If I am surfing the internet and decide to look at porn, I am not doing so to for any other reason than to lust. Correct? So I have already sinned. However if I am surfing the internet and a photo of an attractive woman comes across my screen, and the temptation all of a sudden hits me like a ton of bricks, have I sinned? Nope. Not yet.

 

EXACTLY this is TRUE .     that is the sin that is present within the flesh ,  the sin that is present in our flesh .    BUT ,   IF we heed THE SPIRIT

and THE SPIRIT WOULD SOUND OFF ALARM BELLS once this thought pops into our minds , IF WE THEN OBEY THE SPIRIT and by HIS POWER cast it out

WE ourselves have not sinned .  we were TEMPTED by the evil flesh, YES ,  but we did not sin if we do not obey the flesh , but rather HEED the SPIRIT

and ITS REAL,  the SPIRIT is real and believe me when I say once the temptation begins .........THE SPIRIT WILL WARN CEASE CEASE CEASE the thought

IF we heed the flesh and don't we sin we will act it out .  BUT IF WE HEED that SPIRIT   ,  IT GOES AWAY my friend .  IT WILL CEASE .

I agree, but with this one caveat. If we still think it is OUR thought, and not a temptation from the enemy, we can try to cease from the thought all we want, but our conscience already condemns us. We may in fact be able to cease, but we will not enjoy an victory because we will have done it, not God inside us. 

We must understand, yes, we still have fleshly bodies, but our spirits are no longer carnal spirits. We are new creatures, and as Paul said, we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, and owe the flesh NOTHING. If we by our fleshly effort try to resist the temptations thrown at us, we will end up either proud that we can do it and this hold that standard to others, or, we will fail, and either way, the name of the Lord is discredited. 

Rhe key is that when the temptation comes, we understand that inside our armor is not one part of us that is a traitor. If this is not settled, we are back to the flesh trying to crucify the flesh. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 minutes ago, Gideon said:

The question is, how much sin does one have to commit again and again, even if every time he trusts he is forgiven, before the Lord simply sees the man is taking advantage of His mercy. 

I fully believe that for new Christians, a man can fall multiple times a day and each time, with repentance, he can be fully restored to fellowship with the Lord. But what of a man or woman who has now walked ten years  in the Lord. At what point does the Lord perceive he is really not seeking a way out of sin at all, and is using grace as a covering to continue to “sin a little”  without ever truly needing to be changed. 

Rhe Lord sees deep into our thoughts and the intents of our hearts. Are we longing as Paul did to be freed from a nature where sin is never truly defeated, or are we simply hiding under a false grace that allows us to live pretty much as we want, as long as we do not commit the “biggies”..... adultery, theft, murder? 

Walking in holiness is far more than avoiding the breaking of the Ten Commandments. It is yielding to His leading in all areas of our life, obeying His voice in ALL things. 

The question is, do we believe this is possible? If not, then we need to specify how much sin we CAN commit so we can always stay on the safe side of judgment. How much is too much?  And if our answer is that one willful sin is too many, then the question needs to become “Lord, I need a miracle! How do I obey you in all rhings??”

Blessings, 

Gideon

We should have the attitude towards SIN that JESUS DID , that all the apostels did .    DO NOT ERR my beloved .     GO and sin no more

DO not let these things be named EVEN ONCE among you as becometh saints .    FACT .    IF anyone sees the mercy of GOD and uses that in any way to be able

to do sin,    THEY DONT KNOW HIM .     IF one simply ERRS,  we do all to restore such a one .    All things the early church apostels TAUGHT are necessary

and to be reminded of them is not no burden for me .    ITS NEEDFUL .   WE must EXHORT as they did , we must warn as they did , we must encourage as they did .

Those men KNEW CHRIST  .   FACT .   I have read their writings,  THEY KNEW CHRIST and were seasoned MEN .

We follow that pattern, we keep their pattern in all things , and they KEPT JESUS pattern in all things they taught .

them letters are FOR OUR ADOMINTION and if we have THE SPIRIT as we feast on them, we grow and we will bear fruit and all who do bear fruit

will be scourged that they bear more fruit .   A massive falling away has began and will get worse , a massive tribulation is coming against the true lambs

and we need to get built up IN CHRIST NOW , FAST ,  or it will take all captive to the lie .    ITS that serious Gideon .  ITS THAT SERIOUS .

So the way we teach , the way we approach MUST MATCH the way JESUS DID , the way them apostels TAUGHT .   no alterations ,  JUST THAT PATTERN PEROID .

[Not me]

38 minutes ago, Behold said:

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Actually, that is a wrong understanding.

Here is the thing...... a lot of unbelievers as well as believers have misunderstood this concept...."taking the Lord's (or God's name) in vain"

And all who have not understood this, misunderstand it exactly the same way.

This is what they think it means...    = "To take the Lord's name in Vain, is to use the Lord's name as curse word....." such as hearing "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" in a movie as an expression of frustration or anger or contempt.

Or, the word "Gd-Dm".... they also think, when this is applied in the same manner, is "taking the Lord's name in vain"......., but this is not the case.

So, what is the case?.....what is it exactly to take the Lord's name , in vain??

Well, you have to understand THIS PART of that verse....."To TAKE"....

To take what?.....>"The LORD's NAME".

And how do you take it?...."In VAIN"..

Now, how to understand this, is very simple........ think of it like this......"how do you take a wife, or a husband"?....

You take them by a PLEDGE of TRUTH, and this pledge unites the 2 as ONE......, as that is how you "TAKE someone's name"......its a union., a pledge, and a "oneness".

The woman changes her NAME to the Man's last name.....as she has by vow, by union, by earthly and later after consummation, spiritually TAKEN HIS NAME, as her name. = "2 have become one"...= NAME

So, if you take a vow, a pledge, or the Lord's Name, to yourself, you have Joined him, in verbal and life, commitment.., exactly like a marriage.

You've taken His NAME, as you are the BRIDE, and Jesus is the BRIDE GROOM, and the Bride takes the NAME of the Groom, when MARRIED, or when BORN AGAIN...

See it?

So, to do this in VAIN, is to be a FAKE.

In other words, its someone who is PRETENDING to have a RELATIONSHIP and a Commitment with God and Christ, by taking their name, as if you and they are "ONE".., when in fact this person is NOT at all.

It is not being a backslider, or a wayward believer, as they are "one" because they are born again INTO God and Christ as eternally "one".

So this "taking the name in Vain" is more extreme then being a hypocrite, as its actually  pretending to (take His Name) =  pretending to belong to God.

These are the ones who did the Christian deeds, talked the Christian talk, but were never born again, and Jesus said of these...."I NEVER KNEW YOU"..!

SEE IT?

It IS THAT someone who does not understand "grace through faith" or Titus 3:5, or Romans 3:21-28,  and is instead engaged in trying to save themselves by works of self righteousness, and are actually not born again.

THEY HAVE in THEIR OWN WAY, but not God's way (John 14:6), become a religious type, that has all the Christianese speech, and all the works , but all this is in VAIN, as they have not literally taken God's <>NAME<> to themselves, and are not one with God and Christ, because they are not truly BORN AGAIN.

I see some real wisdom in this post. Thanks for posting it. May God grant you an increase in Christ in your innermost being. 

Much love in Christ, Not me

Edited May 6, 2018 by Not me

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Gideon said:

I agree, but with this one caveat. If we still think it is OUR thought, and not a temptation from the enemy, we can try to cease from the thought all we want, but our conscience already condemns us. We may in fact be able to cease, but we will not enjoy an victory because we will have done it, not God inside us. 

We must understand, yes, we still have fleshly bodies, but our spirits are no longer carnal spirits. We are new creatures, and as Paul said, we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, and owe the flesh NOTHING. If we by our fleshly effort try to resist the temptations thrown at us, we will end up either proud that we can do it and this hold that standard to others, or, we will fail, and either way, the name of the Lord is discredited. 

Rhe key is that when the temptation comes, we understand that inside our armor is not one part of us that is a traitor. If this is not settled, we are back to the flesh trying to crucify the flesh. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

Lets sum this up real simple .    GOD works THROUGH HIS SPIRIT WIHTIN those who do BELIEVE

Satan he works THROUGH THE FLESH .     THAT is how he tempts , allures .       WHICH ONE WE GOING TO OBEY .   satan or GOD .

for their is no middle ground .  EITHER we follow the SPIRIT or we don't .   its that serious Gideon .   We are the servants to whom we obey .  

We either obey the SPIRIT which HONORS THE FATHER ,  or we obey the flesh which honors , oh dear ,    it honors the dark one .

ITS THAT SERIOUS .    This is why that early church was so big on warning against error and TO FOLLOW THE SPIRIT and you wont fulfill the lusts of the flesh .

they also said if one does err,  YOU who are spiritual restore suc ha one .    DO IT FAST .   this is serious and most take it lightly , if even at all.

[frienduff thaylorde]

10 minutes ago, Gideon said:

I agree, but with this one caveat. If we still think it is OUR thought, and not a temptation from the enemy, we can try to cease from the thought all we want, but our conscience already condemns us. We may in fact be able to cease, but we will not enjoy an victory because we will have done it, not God inside us. 

We must understand, yes, we still have fleshly bodies, but our spirits are no longer carnal spirits. We are new creatures, and as Paul said, we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, and owe the flesh NOTHING. If we by our fleshly effort try to resist the temptations thrown at us, we will end up either proud that we can do it and this hold that standard to others, or, we will fail, and either way, the name of the Lord is discredited. 

Rhe key is that when the temptation comes, we understand that inside our armor is not one part of us that is a traitor. If this is not settled, we are back to the flesh trying to crucify the flesh. 

Blessings, 

Gideon

Rhe key is that when the temptation comes, we understand that inside our armor is not one part of us that is a traitor

PUT YE ON CHRIST .  HE IS our armor . and HE is not the traitor .    PUT YE ON CHRIST .   the traitor , satan works through the flesh

OUR ARMOUR IS JESUS , IT IS THE SPIRIT .     WE must KNOW THIS .  

[frienduff thaylorde]

SUBMIT TO GOD , RESIST the devil and he will flee.       But if one wont submit to GOD ,   they are unable to resist the devil   .   OH they might

be able to pass a few tests ,   maybe they wont murder ,  but they will fail .   God did not say murder was THE ONLY SIN .

SUBMIT TO GOD ,  SUBMIT to GOD , OBEY THE SPRIIT ,  resist the devil and he will flee.     ONWARD full force into the trenches

a massive delusion has began and will mushroom.   PUT YE ON CHRIST NOW .  put on the full armour of GOD NOW .   for satan is taking many captive

at his will.    We can only resist him BY THE POWER of CHRIST .   feed on that bible ,  feed on it , FEEEEEED on those pages and FOLLOW THE LAMB .

 

[Wayne222]

         Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments. So if one does not obey or does not care to obey Jesus then they dont love him. And if they dont love him they are not born again. Once we are forgiven our sins and given eternal life we will love him. He who is forgiven much loves much. 

            The bible says we can still fall to sin. Put on all the armour of God. But as mortal men and women we are not yet perfect. John wrote confess your sins and he is faithful to clease you of all unrighteousness. So its a walk we have with God. If we do this we are going his way.

                To be holy is to set your life apart to God. He already set us apart through the blood of Jesus.

[angels4u]

2 hours ago, Gideon said:

“And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.

For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.”

Isaiah 29:18-21

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Why did you quote these  Bible verses to me? 

Am I deaf to hear the words in Gods book and blind?

Are you implying that  I be cut off?

Please explain why you picked those verses for me?