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Heb 13:8

The context of 1 Thess 5:1

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6 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

It seems to me that if you are going to say that:

*[[Mat 24:31]] KJV* And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall GATHER TOGETHER his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Is not about the rapture,  but is about a separate event of  gathering together [episunago], then 2 Thess 2 must also be about the timing of the gathering together [not the rapture].  

*[[2Th 2:1]] KJV* Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our GATHERING TOGETHER  unto him,

Therefore,  2 Thess 2 cannot be used to say that it has anything to do with the  timing  of the rapture, relative to the falling away or the revelation of the man of sin.   Paul is referring to the timing of "that [one]  day", not those days, meaning "the coming" & "our gathering".  If the word "our" includes the church, then the timing of "our" gathering,  must coincide with "our" rapture.

Blessings

The PuP 

Its clearly the Departing of the Church. 

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7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

No one said they were in Peace, you are reading the prophecy wrong.

RM, you had stated that they find peace after they repent, and you said they repent prior to the 70th week. Correct?

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the prophesies stating Israel will have peace no doubt stretch into the 1000 year reign, but that doesn't mean they will not go through the Tribulation period to get there.

Malachi 4:5-6 tells us that Israel repents BEFORE the DOTL.

How is fleeing into the mountains to avoid the antichrist peaceful? If they've repented then why are they re-building the third temple for the antichrist?

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Once again, how does Israel know to Flee Judea if they have not already repented?
 

They've read Dan 9. Did Israel repent after they listened to God in Exod 14. No, they instead worshiped a golden calf in Exod 32.

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The 1/3 are tried by the fire.......Well how can this be true if Jesus SAVES THEM at the end?

Because the end is the end.

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No one is building a Temple for an Anti-Christ, that is just not reality brother. Why do you suppose this is reality?

2 Thess 2:4, Rev 11:1-2 ( naos )

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Israel were called and that calling like all of Gods callings are without repentance

Rom 11:28-29 is referring to the calling of the elect, not Israel.

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until the Tim of the Gentile CALLING is completed by the Rapture, then God will take the blindness away and they will SEE AGAIN.

Do you believe that not every believer will be a martyr in the 70th week?

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in (eiserchomai),

eiserchomai: to go in (to), enter
Original Word: εἰσέρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eiserchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ice-er'-khom-ahee)
Short Definition: I go in, come in, enter
Definition: I go in, come in, enter.
HELPS Word-studies

1525 eisérxomai (from 1519 /eis, "into, unto" and 2064/erxomai, "come") – properly, come into, go (enter) into; (figuratively) to enter into for an important purpose – for the believer, doing so to experience the result of the Lord's eternal blessing.

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So Israel will be grafted back in.........When they BELIEVE AGAIN !! And that happens BEFORE the DOTL at the 1260 Event.

It seems to me that Israel is being delivered from the dragon in the latter 3.5 years.

Rom 11:26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: "The deliverer (rhuomai) will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

Rev 12:14-16 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

rhuomai: to draw to oneself, i.e. deliver
Original Word: ῥύομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: rhuomai
Phonetic Spelling: (rhoo'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I rescue
Definition: I rescue, deliver (from danger or destruction).

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Read Galatians chapter 3, the LAW was ADDED 430 years AFTER the PROMISE to ABRAHAM !! The Promise was ALWAYS the SEED (Jesus). The Law was added after Abraham's DEATH.

The law doesn't keep a believer saved, the blood of Christ does.

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28 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Its clearly the Departing of the Church. 

No, Matt 24:31 and 2 Thess 2 are referring to the second coming, not rapture.

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10 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well, the rapture and the second coming are seven years apart. Matt 24:31 is not a harpazo, it's an episunagó.

You all (rapturist)say that,why is it you never take in account that those days were cut short?Fact is the time is cut to 5 months,ie,the time of the locust.

Bottom line,ain't no rapture...

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13 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

You all (rapturist)say that,why is it you never take in account that those days were cut short?Fact is the time is cut to 5 months,ie,the time of the locust.

Bottom line,ain't no rapture...

Cut short is referring to not going longer than the latter 3.5 years. Rapture is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5.

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10 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well, the rapture and the second coming are seven years apart. Matt 24:31 is not a harpazo, it's an episunagó.

Why would you need signs of His 2nd coming if you knew it it was 7 years after this rapture?

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41 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Rapture is in 1 Thess 4:17"

 

You are correct

and also Rev 12:5

32 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Why would you need signs of His 2nd coming if you knew it it was 7 years after this rapture?

We don't.

1 Cor 1:22-23 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 

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4 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

and also Rev 12:5

We don't.

1 Cor 1:22-23 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 

So how are they getting signs when they don't believe in Christ?

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Thinking you all need to figure out the difference between ,Judah,Israel and Gentiles

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