Salvation and Sin

[JohnKing67]

1 minute ago, 1sheep said:

We put on Christs righteousness when we are truly reborn again in Christ.

Exactly.  We put on Christ's righteousness, not our own righteousness.  And if we put on Christ's righteousness, how can the standard of living be less than a sinless standard, since Christ was sinless.  If we put on our own righteousness I could see being allowed to sin, but putting on Christ's righteousness means we are to be like Christ, sinless.

[Guest 1sheep]

Just now, JohnKing67 said:

Exactly.  We put on Christ's righteousness, not our own righteousness.  And if we put on Christ's righteousness, how can the standard of living be less than a sinless standard, since Christ was sinless.  If we put on our own righteousness I could see being allowed to sin, but putting on Christ's righteousness means we are to be like Christ, sinless.

Sometimes you just have to listen more than you talk.  Perhaps you are a baby christian and weak in understanding. IDK NOR WILL I PRESUME TO KNOW. Whatever the case, you still dont get it. You insult our Lord by presuming you can be sinless. It isnt biblical. If you are truly reborn again, you are in for a great fall. God has to get you listen one way or another.  There are systematic ways to interpret scripture. Learn . 

[JohnKing67]

8 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

Sometimes you just have to listen more than you talk.  Perhaps you are a baby christian and weak in understanding. IDK NOR WILL I PRESUME TO KNOW. Whatever the case, you still dont get it. You insult our Lord by presuming you can be sinless. It isnt biblical. If you are truly reborn again, you are in for a great fall. God has to get you listen one way or another.  There are systematic ways to interpret scripture. Learn . 

A number of people now have told me I insult the Lord by presuming you can be sinless.  No quite the opposite.  People who say the righteousness of Christ can't keep a person free from sin are insulting the righteousness of Christ.  They're saying the righteousness of Christ is inadequate and too weak to keep a person sinless.  That I think is the insult.

Edited September 25, 2018 by JohnKing67

[JohnKing67]

50 minutes ago, 1sheep said:

Im afraid if you keep striving to be perfect or holy ; you will end up a self righteous jerk.

If someone is self righteous then they're going about it wrong and they certainly won't be holy or perfect.  It's about Christ's righteousness not ours.  I can't say this too many times, although it seems like I am today.

Edited September 25, 2018 by JohnKing67

[JohnKing67]

2 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I have no idea where you get that from. I really dont. Certainly not from all these posters.

Our spiritual soul is born again, but we are still fallen sinful people living in our all too human bodies. Its not about Christ Jesus being inadequate or weak, its about our sinful, fallen human relationship with Him on Earth.

The purpose of forgiveness and Christs righteousness is not to keep us sinless. Its to protect us from the consequences of that sinful state on Earth in the bodies our souls dwell in. 

But they are saying it because they're saying you can't live a sinless life after finding Jesus.  If they really believed in the righteousness of Christ to make a person holy and sinless, they wouldn't say that.

[JohnKing67]

Just now, maryjayne said:

I just cant follow your circular thinking in all this. It doesnt make any sense. Sorry, but i am bowing out.

Ok, thanks for your input.  

[JohnKing67]

2 hours ago, Billiards Ball said:

The incentive for believers is not fear of hellfire, but the gratitude due such a wonderful gift. Jesus said His followers/servants were to become His friends (at the Last Supper).

You currently have eternal insecurity. You are saying the clear standard is perfection, when there are dozens of NT passages explaining, clearly, that this standard will be met in the next world. 

 

**Where does the Bible spell out what sin is? In the Greek, it means IMPERFECTION. Like missing a bulls eye each time you aim for it. Refusing to volunteer if the Spirit told you to volunteer IS sin, yes. 

Actually, the spirit hasn't told me to volunteer yet.  If and when he does I will be sure to obey.  Thanks for pointing that out.

[Billiards Ball]

3 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

Actually, the spirit hasn't told me to volunteer yet.  If and when he does I will be sure to obey.  Thanks for pointing that out.

John, the concept that "don't worry, I'll be sure to never sin" is also unbiblical, both pride and against 1 Cor 10, "Be careful, lest you think you stand, and fall."

You have a different gospel than me. I'm not sure you are a Christian. Please be cautious, pray and read.

[Billiards Ball]

32 minutes ago, JohnKing67 said:

But they are saying it because they're saying you can't live a sinless life after finding Jesus.  If they really believed in the righteousness of Christ to make a person holy and sinless, they wouldn't say that.

That is gigantically unfair of you. I "really believe in the righteousness of Christ" to make me better, and I am better, starting with I will not boast in Heaven, because I'm not saved by works! You are disobeying Eph 2 and claiming a type of works salvation. Be careful!

[JohnKing67]

6 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

That is gigantically unfair of you. I "really believe in the righteousness of Christ" to make me better, and I am better, starting with I will not boast in Heaven, because I'm not saved by works! You are disobeying Eph 2 and claiming a type of works salvation. Be careful!

Ok, thanks.  I really don't have too much more to say about this.  I stick by what I've said and I'm sure you stick by what you've said, so let's just agree to disagree.

Edited September 25, 2018 by JohnKing67