Do You Really Love The Sinner Hate The Sin

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, Badjao33 said:

Actually this is what I have said:

n ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 11:04 AM, Badjao33 said:

 I can't save anyone. The gospel is "the power of God for  salvation" (Rom. 1:16), but I, and no one else for that matter, can make anyone accept it. That's the role of the Holy Spirit. I can only do my part which is to share the gospel and love the people as Christ loves me. I have no idea what God is doing in the lives of all the people I have shared the gospel with and I may never know. Someone I share the gospel with today may or may not come to Christ, but they may share what I told them about Jesus with someone else in another part of the country where the Holy Spirit may convict that person. I have no way of knowing how God is working behind the scenes. God's plans are sometimes complex and bigger than what we can imagine.

I am not talking about you saving anyone and I think you know that, but you feel the need to muddy water.  I am talking about you leading some TO salvation. The Lord saves, but we lead unbelievers to that place of decision.  You apparently don't think it is your job to lead people to the Lord.

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I can't make disciples out of unbelievers.

Not talking about making disciples out of non-believers. To make disciples, they first have to get saved and you are not leading anyone to the Lord so that they can get saved and become disciples. 

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Unbelievers can't be baptized, so I'm still at step one.

No, you're not.  Step one is actually leading someone to the Lord, step two is baptism and step three is discipleship. You aren't do any of that.

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Many missionaries never see any fruit for their labors, most being far more qualified than myself to be assigned to such a mission. Even when there is fruit produced it can take a long time before the seeds planted begin to grow. Dr. William Leslie went 17 years and died without ever seeing what fruit the seeds he planted produced, William Carey went 7 years with no fruit, and Adoniram Judson known as the Father of Baptist Missions served for 6 years in the field before a single person accepted the gospel.

The difference is that they labored in  areas that had not been exposed to Christianity the way the Philippines have been exposed. 

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There is evidence of it found in this thread.  

No, the evidence is only of you trying to force something on to the Bible that isn't there.  If you want to make friends of unbelievers, that is up to you, but don't try project your unbiblical practice on to the Bible.

[frienduff thaylorde]

On ‎9‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 10:30 AM, LadyKay said:

Nope! Won't bother me at all.  Fire Away! 

I know that much of what I think does not line up with what some other people on here think.  I assure you I will not be offended. 

I know that much of what I think does not line up with what some other people on here think.  I assure you I will not be offended

Sister some of what you hold to ,  not only does it not line up with what some other people think,  its not lining up with SCRIPTURE .

no way ABORTION and gay marriage LINES up with Scripture .  NO WAY , NO HOW .

its not important what I THINK , what YOU THINK , what others THINK .  WHAT IS IMPORTANT is DOES IT LINE UP WITH SCRITPURE .

if not , its CONTRARY TO GOD .  

OH let us have the MIND of CHRIST .   OH little children of whom I travail in birth again,  TILL CHRIST be formed IN you .

OH let this sink into our minds , body and soul . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

21 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I am not talking about you saving anyone and I think you know that, but you feel the need to muddy water.  I am talking about you leading some TO salvation. The Lord saves, but we lead unbelievers to that place of decision.  You apparently don't think it is your job to lead people to the Lord.

Not talking about making disciples out of non-believers. To make disciples, they first have to get saved and you are not leading anyone to the Lord so that they can get saved and become disciples. 

No, you're not.  Step one is actually leading someone to the Lord, step two is baptism and step three is discipleship. You aren't do any of that.

The difference is that they labored in  areas that had not been exposed to Christianity the way the Philippines have been exposed. 

No, the evidence is only of you trying to force something on to the Bible that isn't there.  If you want to make friends of unbelievers, that is up to you, but don't try project your unbiblical practice on to the Bible.

This man is clever Shiloh .     And he is DOING just as you said .   I have watched badjoa .    and watched him well, I have .

FAST TO DEFEND the muslim .     Fast to attack fundamental .    the word hates the fundamental bible carrying christain .   and I seen the defender of muslims

ROAR like a lion against fundamentals on another thread .     He truly cant help himself .  it brings tears to my eyes and pain to my heart ,  but badjoa is under the agenda

whether he knows it or not .  IT HAS HIM .    IT HAS his heart mind body and soul .    all we can do now is pray and expose . 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Badjao33 said:

I have never attacked anyone on this forum. 

Clever fellow .  and I never said you did .     But you was super fast to attack fundamentals .     YET defend muslim.

Sometimes I honestly think you just don't remember things .     Badjoa ,  I am going to help you out .   From now on when you contradict EVEN yourself , WHICH you DO

at times .    I am going to expose it and remind you .     See their is something  about the double mind .  

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

Yes, I do defend Muslims against slander and false allegations because I love them. I would hope any follower of Christ would do the same. 

Please do. If you find where I attack anyone on this forum or the Christian faith, I need to be rebuked for doing so. 

If you find where you feel I have contradicted myself, please bring that to my attention as well. 

Well , I seem to notice you never mentioned that you did not attack the fundamental doctrine the other day .  

And , since I I never said you have attacked anyone here you wont have to worry about me rebuking you for something I never claimed you do .

Badjao .  Are you for the idea that all religions should at least gather and do good works and at least have unity for world peace .

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by frienduff thaylorde

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, Badjao33 said:

My Republican friends tell me I'm too liberal, and my Democrat friends tell me I'm too conservative. I guess it all comes down to who I'm talking too. Lol... 

Welll I aint either one .     the liberals have sold CHRIST down the river .

and it sure seems many conservatives have done the same .

But ,   we got a serious problem .     TELL ME your not for that idea about the religions coming together to do good works and find common ground and unity .

IF SO ,   you are in grave , grave danger .    

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

I share the gospel. I can't make people accept it. 

Its not about making people accept it.   It's about actually bringing someone to the place of making decision.   Do you mean to tell me that you NEVER actually sit down with any of the people you minister to, share with the plan of salvation and give them a chance to accept or reject Jesus?   You never tell them about their sin, their spiritual condition before God, the fact that they are under God's judgement and thus need a Savior, never present them with opportunity to repent of their sin in order to find true salvation in order to avoid Hell?   Those conversations never takes place?  

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 The people we are ministering to are in desperate need of the gospel. 

But you don't actually confront them with the truth about their spiritually depraved condition, the fact that they are living under a curse and that they need deliverance from that curse.   They are in desperate need, but they are not getting that need fulfilled in your ministry.  

[Guest shiloh357]

15 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

I have already answered these questions for you in another thread. You just didn't like my answers. But here they are again. 

The bottom line is that you don't actually have a conversation about getting saved with those who you "minister" to.   You don't actually bring them to the place of making a decision for Christ.   

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If you feel I'm doing an inadequate job of sharing the gospel over here, then I suggest you either come here yourself and give me a hand, or contact the IMB and tell them to start sending their missionaries in the Philippines to the unreached people instead of the already reached in this country where they are spending all their time now.  

The help would be greatly appreciated and I will be praying for that. 

 

Or you could actually bring those people to a place of decision and bring them to an understanding of their sin and explain to them what it means to be born again and why they need to be born again.  That's what missionaries are supposed to do and having that conversation with the lost doesn't cost anyone a penny.

[frienduff thaylorde]

35 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

Here's the bottom line. In Davao City there have been missionaries from every denomination bringing the gospel to the Badjao for decades. Some have actually used your approach. They will often show up, gather the people together, have someone translate their message, and ask them to give their life to Christ right there on the spot. Just recently a Baptist missionary came through the village and handed out tracts in Bisaya which is the language most people in this part of the Philippines speak to just about every man, woman, and child. Unfortunately it's not the native language of the Badjao and the people couldn't read them anyway since almost everyone in the village is illiterate; so it was pretty much a waste of time, money, and effort on his part.

If these people were receptive to the gospel, they would have accepted it already. There are some Badjao who proclaim to be Christians in the villages here in Davao, but from my observations it appears they may doing this for the benefits that come along with claiming to be a Christian. There are a couple of Badjao churches that have been planted in Davao by foreign missionaries who have local pastors, but they also provide food, and other incentives, so who knows if those attending these churches are sincere. That is between them and God. 

Once you go to the villages in the southern and western parts of Mindanao as well as the Sulu region and Malaysia, there are no Badjao that I'm aware of who have accepted the gospel. The problem in those areas though is that few missionaries are willing to go there because of ongoing conflict.  There are some sending agencies that will not allow their missionaries to travel to the Sulu region. 

We just have to accept that some people are very resistant to the gospel. A lot of this is the result of how they people have been treated in the past by Christians. In Mindanao Christianity initially came by the sword first by the Spanish, followed by the United States, so it's understandable why many here would not want to accept Christ when people came in His name committing atrocities. 

There are missionaries all over the world that have little or no fruit to show for their labor. I have a friend who is a missionary in Uganda where he has been since the 1990's and he has had very few accept the gospel in all these years. 

The conclusion is, regardless of which approach that is used to reach someone with the gospel, if the Holy Spirit isn't working in that individual's life, they aren't going to accept it. I was a false convert myself for almost 30 years because I was put on the spot by an evangelist and proclaimed Jesus Christ as my savior as he asked me to. I still thank God to this day that I didn't die before the Holy Spirit convicted me in 2011 and I was truly born again.

Badjao.     this is no good .     Its the rick warren and rome style .  Its only going to end bad .   

So many got no idea .   I rebuke rick warren and he will stand in terror on the day of judgment for what he and others have done .   I PRAY only they repent of this and fast .

Badjoa .   What did JESUS say to do , if folks wont receive the gospel .    HE said shake the dust off your feet and move on . 

You aint helping these people .   OH , you may be giving food and feelng good like you doing good .   But their souls , badjoa .   Their souls .   What about their souls .

The gospel is not about just hanging out and being friends .    ITS about conversion.    Badjao .   You got to just start over .    And preach Christ to them .

Preach the message and then Its on them whether they receive or not .  Badjoa .   Whether or not you learned this from rick warren or not , the pope or not

or brian McLaren or scores of others .    YOU SOUND JUST LIKE THEY DO .   WHICH means you INFLUENCED by a contrary spirit and message .  either or .

Now , you say you are a missionary .   THEN your mission is to win souls .    And if they don't hear ,  That's not ON YOU ,   but if you say nothing , THAT IS ON YOU .

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

I have already answered these questions for you in another thread. You just didn't like my answers. But here they are again. 

 

If you feel I'm doing an inadequate job of sharing the gospel over here, then I suggest you either come here yourself and give me a hand, or contact the IMB and tell them to start sending their missionaries in the Philippines to the unreached people instead of the already reached in this country where they are spending all their time now.  

The help would be greatly appreciated and I will be praying for that. 

 

Whether you know this or not .    America ,  heck most of its churches , NEED TO HEAR the gospel .    THIS IS A HARVEST field , RIGHT HERE .

Yeah , I said churches .    the liberal churches preach no gospel at all .  and so many conservative ones no longer do either .

Its bad badjao .    Its real bad what is happening .    the true gospel is getting shut down in favor of a hang out and be unequally yoked one .

Why is it so hard for you , to just start over .    You in a position that could do so much good , IF ONLY your focus was THE TRUE GOSPLE .

Don't just argue with what I am saying .   I am only trying to help .