Do You Really Love The Sinner Hate The Sin

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2 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

You know, this is a good question.  I don't remember anyone telling me I was going to hell or preaching at me when I gave my heart to Christ.  What I remember most is being brought to weeping under the overwhelming power and love of God!!! \o/ 

YES SISTER and I fully agree .    No matter what we do , by fear or compassion , DO ALL to POINT to CHRIST and REMIND them to repent and believe .   

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I  notice that whenever the errors of your doctrine are pointed out, you just double down on them and dig in further.  And mildly alter your position.  A couple days ago you were claiming there were two different Gospels and you have now distanced yourself from that rational.  Yes, believe it or not, people should be scared of going to Hell.  The people you claim to "missionary" haven't been introduced to the topic, because you refuse to tell them about it because you think friendship with them will get the job done.  It won't.  How many of the Badjao you missionary have made a clear declaration that they have accepted Christ?  Surely you have a rough count.

No one is actually trying to scare people into getting saved, and if that is how you view preaching the Gospel, and conviction, then I have to wonder how you can effectively bring the Gospel to anyone.  At this point, you are the equivalent of a person who claims to be a doctor, but while that doctor will hint around that there might be a problem, he won't come right out and tell a person they are going to die if they don't accept the cure that will heal their disease.  The purpose of the Gospel is not to scare people out of Hell.  The purpose of the Gospel is to inform people there is a cure for the disease they have which is terminal in every single case if left untreated.  You refuse to offer sick people a cure.  And taking it even one step further, in your apathy, you won't even tell them they are sick.  When it gets right down to it, you aren't even preaching the Gospel, because you are leaving out one of the most important components:  Repentance.  The people you claim to be missionary to can't know about Jesus because you haven't told them they need to repent.  You don't tell them they have a problem and you don't offer a cure.  

SUPER SPOT ON COBALT .    THIS is precisely what I notice too .   IF one is coming to JESUS , they need to see HIM as SAVOIR ,  but a savoir from what .

THAT JESUS is no longer preached .   AND IF men cannot see themselves as sinners , THEN HOW will they cry out TO THE SAVOIR in truth .

Most folks that think they came to JESUS .  DID NOT .   And I say that not to judge .  But If I had been sitting in a emergent church or prosperity church

and came to JESUS so I could have a easy life or five steps ,  THEN IN HEART I never came to HIM    .   MY love was money , or whatever .

its why so many gays claim Christ today , because they LOVE their sin , and the JESUS they sit under LOVES IT TOO.  so its really their sin they love . NOT the exposer of sin .

This sitting still and fake loving them to GOD aint working .  its only increasing the house size,  BUT What HOUSE is it they are really in .    

MAN needs to know and see himself as A SINNER and the LIGHT exposes that .  Even the man on the cross , BY GRACE SEEN THAT .

WE ARE GUILTY he said , BUT THIS MAN HAS DONE NO WRONG .    HE SEEN himself as a sinner and yes HE DID CRY out to be remembered .

We got to go back to the fundamentals of that bible and its examples .   

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5 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

Our experiences sound similar. 

In my case I didn't walk up to the alter when I accepted the gospel after an evangelist told me I was going to spend an eternity in Hell if I didn't accept Christ and stop sinning, I ran! And you know what? For almost 30 years after that I called myself a Christian, went to church, and lived my life like I had nothing to worry about. But I wasn't born again on that day and my assurances that the preachers from that day forward that I had eternal salvation meant nothing. I probably heard hundreds of sermons on sin and Hell over those years, but I was still a sinner (A really bad one and my lifestyle did not reflect that of a true believer) and no more saved than a box of rocks all that time. 

It was God who saved me and there wasn't a preacher anywhere in sight when I became truly born again. Which is my point. preaching Hell and sin doesn't bring anyone to Christ in the same way someone showing love and affection without preaching sin does when they share the gospel. The messenger is nothing and all the Glory belongs to God. 

“No one can come to Me unless the Father Who has sent Me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).

A faith based on fear and for the self-serving reason of avoiding Hell quickly disappears because there's no substance to it. My own testimony as that of countless others can attest to that. 

 

Its only an appearance of being similar  .   our conversions were not even in the same ball park .   LOOK at how you approach ,   look at what you teach .

Your conversion sounds so much like that new type conversion .   OH folks treated me bad or scared me so I ran .   SOUNDS like right out of a rick warren story or brain McLaren .

GOD HIMSELF did for ME , what those men WOULD NOT DO .    HE exposed my dire need for a savoir ,  He exposed inside and out just how vile and wicked I was ,

sin became exceeding sinful ,  and pard by grace this was and I truly cried out to be saved .   HE exposed me as nothing but vile wicked and evil .

BUT it was by HIS SPIRIT and the reading of HIS OWN WORDS . 

It was like in a sense Torah led me as a school master , BY the POWER of the SPIRITS learning and CONVICTION .  And HIS GOODNESS led me to repentance and faith IN CHRIST .

AND I MEAN a  real CONVERSION .    not the grab it and blab it type or the false conversion of so many I see .    For many claim HIS NAME

yet walk in darkness .   THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM .   THE TRUTH is NOT IN THEM .  JUST as it was NOT IN ME while I did the same thing . 

NOW LETS GET BUSY.  

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1 minute ago, Badjao33 said:

I only meant it was similar in the way we had both heard the gospel and it didn't save us. In my case the preaching of sin and hell was there, but my faith, if you could call it that, was worthless.  

NO , but it was the gospel .  GOD brought all that back to my memory .   Some preachers had been doing right in the late seventies and even eighties .

I as a child had went on my own to church and heard GREAT sermons .   of course that church since, has long fallen to the way side .

But all of that , the gospel was brought back to my memory as well .

The problem today is ,   that because true gospel preaching did not give the desired increase in numbers ,  MEN found fault in that gospel and so changed it .

WRONG thing they did .    Just because most wont hear , DOES NOT MEAN we pander it to suit their desires or needs .

BUT THEY DID THIS .    RICK warren SOLD his purpose driven LIE and the churches had already been made ready to accept it .   AND THEY LOVED IT.

and only worse it got .   brian McLaren does the work of satan , as well as rick warren ,  rob bell .    let me know when you see a name you like .

cause their are so many names I could list of false men and women .   but phew wee,  I don't have the time to list all that .

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3 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I am just going to leave this here, as i lack the words to explain how many ways this is wrong. This quote all about what happens after repentance and misses out on deep sorrow, prayerful confession of wrongdoing, heartfelt regret and humility before God for our sins, and the pleas for forgiveness and mercy and promise to try harder to resist our will and sinful nature.

I think the steps of true repentance are something which gets glossed over far to often.

Sister , we done all we can .    Anything more and its just becoming strife, strife .   All we can do now is pray and hope it gets received .    THAT we SHOULD DO.

Our hope is badjoa will hear it .    but for now I have to say I am done .   BUT YOU LOVED dear sister .    and you throw those hands up and praise the LORD .

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42 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I  notice that whenever the errors of your doctrine are pointed out, you just double down on them and dig in further.  And mildly alter your position.  A couple days ago you were claiming there were two different Gospels and you have now distanced yourself from that rational.  Yes, believe it or not, people should be scared of going to Hell.  The people you claim to "missionary" haven't been introduced to the topic, because you refuse to tell them about it because you think friendship with them will get the job done.  It won't.  How many of the Badjao you missionary have made a clear declaration that they have accepted Christ?  Surely you have a rough count.

No one is actually trying to scare people into getting saved, and if that is how you view preaching the Gospel, and conviction, then I have to wonder how you can effectively bring the Gospel to anyone.  At this point, you are the equivalent of a person who claims to be a doctor, but while that doctor will hint around that there might be a problem, he won't come right out and tell a person they are going to die if they don't accept the cure that will heal their disease.  The purpose of the Gospel is not to scare people out of Hell.  The purpose of the Gospel is to inform people there is a cure for the disease they have which is terminal in every single case if left untreated.  You refuse to offer sick people a cure.  And taking it even one step further, in your apathy, you won't even tell them they are sick.  When it gets right down to it, you aren't even preaching the Gospel, because you are leaving out one of the most important components:  Repentance.  The people you claim to be missionary to can't know about Jesus because you haven't told them they need to repent.  You don't tell them they have a problem and you don't offer a cure.  

I agree with you. I think Shiloh has the patience of Job. For striving with him day in and day out. He is talking to someone I perceive as disingenuous. Lots of double talk in other words.

 

Btw just so you and others are aware: I have been following this site for years. I feel like I know many here.

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1 hour ago, Badjao33 said:

Why do you believe a person can be scared into salvation by pointing out their sins and saying they will be condemned to Hell if they don't accept the gospel? Would someone turning to Christ motivated by a fear of hell and saving themselves qualify as a legitimate form of saving faith? 

Preaching and teaching about Hell and warning people about Hell isn't a scare tactic.  It is a solemn biblical truth.  I am telling them the truth about where the stand with God and what awaits them if they don't change direction, repent and receive salvation.  I am telling them what they can be saved from.   A scare tactic would only leave them without hope.  

There is no one more thankful and more grateful than someone who knows what they have been saved from.   Knowing where you were and what you were headed for, and knowing you have been saved from that awful fate, produces a level of gratitude that nothing else can. 

At the same, there is nothing wrong with a healthy fear of dying without Jesus. It is no different than warning people of danger up the road.

Jesus warned about Hell. (Mat. 5:22,29,30; 10:28; 11:23; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 10:15; 12:5; 16:23)   jesus had a lot to say about Hell.  The importance we put on Hell will determine the importance we place on Jesus. 

One of the reasons I got saved was because I didn't want to go to Hell.  It is a legitimate reason to get saved, because God doesn't want us to go to Hell, and spend eternity apart from Him. 

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Then you are saying it's the one doing the preaching that convicts the sinner if it's not the gospel. 

Nope.  No one can convict except the Holy Spirit. 

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Exactly. There are several accounts of Paul's witnessing in Acts and several places where he gives his testimony in his letters, and no where does it hint that he preached hell to unbelievers. 

There is nothing in Paul's teaching that supports going into the unbelieving world pointing out individual sins and telling people they are going to hell if they don's accept the gospel. 

 

That is nothing to make a doctrine out of.  Hell is a biblical teaching and the Bible teaches that sinners go there, so it is perfectly legitimate to say what the Bible says whether we are talking to believers or unbelievers.   We preach what the Bible teaches and the Bible says that those outside of Christ will spend eternity in Hell.   We don't decide what we preach based on trying to parse what Paul said or didn't say. 

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These are topics reserved for discussion within the Church.

Wrong.   Hell is a topic that needs to be preached the world.  The world needs to know that Hell is a real place. The world needs to know that they are separated from God because of sin and that the consequence of rejecting God's grace is an eternity separated from Him in Hell.  The world needs to know that they can escape Hell. The Gospel is the good news that mankind can be redeemed from the curse, and restored.

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Once again, this seems to be giving too much credit to the preacher.

No, it is not. 

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It is putting the act of bringing an individual to Christ through the works of the person sharing the gospel. 

No, it is telling the truth about what the Bible teaches and allowing the Holy Spirit to convict that person.

Seriously, how much do you have to HATE someone to know there is a Hell, and not tell them about it????

Preachers who don't warn sinners about Hell are a liability to the Kingdom of God.

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4 minutes ago, Davida said:

I totally agree with you.  Nice to see you posting on the forum!

Thank you!! Backatya?

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Just now, Badjao33 said:

Can you provide some examples?

How many months can you wait while I gather it all up? Btw; can I borrow a dump truck ?

[Guest 1sheep]

9 minutes ago, Badjao33 said:

If you are going to publicly accuse someone of something you should be able to prove some evidence should you not? Since you claim there is a lot, finding one or two examples should not be too hard. 

I wouldnt be telling you anything different than you hear day in and day out from MOST others. Take your pick!