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On 10/23/2018 at 12:49 PM, DavidFilm said:

What you are about to read here is true.  Some facts you read below may cause you to go into denial.  Parts of what are covered, I have known for twenty years, and at first, I did not believe it.  To me, it was so far fetched, I could not wrap my brain around it.  But believe me, it is absolutely true.

     But it was the farthest thing from anyone’s mind that over 500 years before, the Ark of the Covenant was in a subterranean tunnel 20 feet underground - EXACTLY under the Cross that Jesus was crucified on!  Not only that, but also:


1-The moment Jesus died, there was an earthquake directly under the Cross. (Mt. 27:54)
2-The soldier pierced His side, and blood gushed out. (Jn. 19:34)
3-The blood ran down the Cross, into the earthquake crevasse and 20 feet into the ground
4-The earthquake moved the cover of the Ark, so that blood would be dripped onto the WEST end of it!
5-The moment finally came when the Messiah finally satisfied the moment when His blood was the atonement for the sins of mankind.
    How do we know all this?  
1-An amateur geologist did escavations under the very location where Jesus was crucified.
2-He actually found the Ark of The Covenant 20 feet below.
3-He took samples of blood stains he found there to get analyzed at a lab in Israel.
4-They discovered under a microscope that the blood cells were STILL ALIVE.
5-He had them check the blood chromosome count.  It contained  24 chromosomes - 23 from the mother, and one “y” chromosome from the Father!
This happened in 1999, and can be verified.
This is at: Alturl.com/vrsn7
Email: FilmDavidB@Yahoo.com

It made sense to me (what Wyatt discovered) so I watched various videos put out by Wyatt prior to his death.  Supposedly the Israeli govt. is keeping it under wraps for at least two reasons, one it would upset people if they knew it existed and two, they have no choice, some people supposedly entered that cave and died.

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5 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

But, isnt the earthy Ark was just the shadow of things in heaven, like the whole tabernacle ?

It's my understanding, little though there may be, the items inside the Ark represent God himself. The Law, the Staff and the Manna are His character, sovereignty, and provision. I may be way off but that's my personal view. 

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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It was Ron Wyatt that says he discovered the Ark under Golgotha.

Ron has done good things, fine exploration. I think this is off. I saw the video, no view of the actual find. 

 

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1 hour ago, Still Alive said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Did you mean to quote new atheist Richard Dawkins? 

Bayes theorem suggests differently.

 

But we do need evidence. And need it to be raw not edited.

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7 hours ago, eileenhat said:

It made sense to me (what Wyatt discovered) so I watched various videos put out by Wyatt prior to his death.  Supposedly the Israeli govt. is keeping it under wraps for at least two reasons, one it would upset people if they knew it existed and two, they have no choice, some people supposedly entered that cave and died.

Details about the earth quake opening directly under cross is unverifiable!

Location of ark being exactly under cross is unverifiable.

lid coming off makes no sense as blood was sprinkled on top not in

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35 minutes ago, Uber Genius said:

Did you mean to quote new atheist Richard Dawkins? 

Bayes theorem suggests differently.

 

But we do need evidence. And need it to be raw not edited.

I just meant to invoke something I invoke all the time when I hear extraordinary claims. Personally, I think the ark was destroyed a long, long time ago

Probably in a galaxy far, far away. :D

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On ‎10‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 2:49 PM, DavidFilm said:

What you are about to read here is true.  Some facts you read below may cause you to go into denial.  Parts of what are covered, I have known for twenty years, and at first, I did not believe it.  To me, it was so far fetched, I could not wrap my brain around it.  But believe me, it is absolutely true.

The Ark of The Covenant
   Centuries ago, God raised up a man to lead the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage.  His name was Moses. 
During their time in the wilderness, God told them to build a Tabernacle.  One of the things in it was to be an Ark of the Covenant, where God was to reside.  
In time, when they lived in Israel, King Solomon built a Temple, and this Ark of the Covenant was placed in the “Holy of Holies”.


Why am I saying all this?  Every year, on “The Day of Atonement”, the High Priest was to sacrifice a lamb, and sprinkle blood at the east end of the “Mercy Seat” of the Ark.  This was to be a reminder each year of an “atonement” for the sins of the people.  But it was not to take away their sins, but to “cover” them until the next year when he would do it again. 


Anyway, this was a “picture” of a day which would eventually come when their Messiah would be sacrificed to shed His blood once and for all to “take away” the sins of the world.  That day (sometime in the future), His blood would be sprinkled on the west end of this Ark.  


The people of Israel knew (to an extent) about this through prophecies, etc., but did not know a lot of the details of how or when all this would happen.
In 586 BC, a king Nebuchadnezzar, (king of Babylon) conquered Jerusalem, and wanted this Ark of the Covenant, partly because it was made of solid gold.  He knew where it was in the Temple, but when he went to take it, it was gone.  King Solomon designed an ingenius apparatus to get it out of the Temple in the event some army - some day - might invade Jerusalem.  And sure enough that was exactly what happened.  So in 586 BC, the Ark was taken through a secret subterranian tunnel, and stored in a secret chamber.


For over 500 years, generations went by, and for all intents and purposes,  the Ark had simply disappeared.  History has a way of burying the past.  In fact, generations have a way of “disappearing” in Israel, because they would “bury” their past with a new city on top of the old.  Only escavations would reveal the past.  
The Christian world understands that the yearly “day of atonement” in Israel history was a “Type” of what was to come.  Their Messiah would someday come and would shed His blood once-and-for-all for the sins of mankind, but they didn’t know the details of how it would happen.  
    When Jesus came on the scene, the Jews recognized Him as a Prophet, but not their Messiah.  They were looking for a King Who would setup His Kingdom, and put an end to their suppression and bondage.  But God had a bigger plan.  
    When He was tried by Pilate and Herod (the political leaders of their day), He was despised and rejected by the religious leaders.  They wanted Him crucified.  So He was crucified at a place called “Mount Calvary”.  It was a place where people were often crucified.  


     But it was the farthest thing from anyone’s mind that over 500 years before, the Ark of the Covenant was in a subterranean tunnel 20 feet underground - EXACTLY under the Cross that Jesus was crucified on!  Not only that, but also:


1-The moment Jesus died, there was an earthquake directly under the Cross. (Mt. 27:54)
2-The soldier pierced His side, and blood gushed out. (Jn. 19:34)
3-The blood ran down the Cross, into the earthquake crevasse and 20 feet into the ground
4-The earthquake moved the cover of the Ark, so that blood would be dripped onto the WEST end of it!
5-The moment finally came when the Messiah finally satisfied the moment when His blood was the atonement for the sins of mankind.
    How do we know all this?  
1-An amateur geologist did escavations under the very location where Jesus was crucified.
2-He actually found the Ark of The Covenant 20 feet below.
3-He took samples of blood stains he found there to get analyzed at a lab in Israel.
4-They discovered under a microscope that the blood cells were STILL ALIVE.
5-He had them check the blood chromosome count.  It contained  24 chromosomes - 23 from the mother, and one “y” chromosome from the Father!
This happened in 1999, and can be verified.
This is at: Alturl.com/vrsn7
Email: FilmDavidB@Yahoo.com

This is all false based on the fraudulent work of Ron Wyatt.   It's all a bunch of baloney.

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On 12/10/2018 at 7:35 AM, Uber Genius said:

Did you mean to quote new atheist Richard Dawkins? 

Bayes theorem suggests differently.

 

But we do need evidence. And need it to be raw not edited.

It would sort of be the nature of an extraordinary claim to carry with it extraordinary evidence. Laplace was correct. For instance, the claim unicorns exist could not proven by common evidence. Verifiable video of unicorn behavior in their natural habitat would be extraordinary.

Jesus claims up to the point of the ascension were accompanied by a great deal of extraordinary evidence; healings, banquets, fulfilled prophecy, etc.

But I agree, we need evidence not anecdotes for the existence of the ark.

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On December 16, 2018 at 5:50 AM, Diaste said:

It would sort of be the nature of an extraordinary claim to carry with it extraordinary evidence. Laplace was correct. For instance, the claim unicorns exist could not proven by common evidence. Verifiable video of unicorn behavior in their natural habitat would be extraordinary.

Jesus claims up to the point of the ascension were accompanied by a great deal of extraordinary evidence; healings, banquets, fulfilled prophecy, etc.

But I agree, we need evidence not anecdotes for the existence of the ark.

Yep, your right.

I think Hume is the originator of the idea. But Bayes is the one to correct Hume's misunderstanding. So the extraordinary claims of miracles need evidence but, the likelihood of the alternative inference needs to be accounted for as well. So in the case of a claim of resurrection we might ask what is the chances that a claim of resurrection would make one's other claims (salvation is not found in any other name under heaven) more or or less credible. So why would they include it if false? Further why hang on to a lie that the Apostle's knew was a lie if someone were threatening to kill you for? So as hard as it is to beleive in a resurrection testimony given our background of X number,of years on Earth and no such stories, it is equally hard to beleive someone would lie about the testimony knowing they were going to be beaten, imprisoned, and martyred? So the unlikely claim is devised by an equally unlikely aternative explanation of the events under Bayes.

For more info see:

https://www.reasonablefaith.org/videos/short-videos/dont-extraordinary-claims-need-extraordinary-evidence/

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