The Trinity

[Guest D Smith]

Because I believe in the Trinity., I see things different I guess.

The Son is not the Father, never was, never will be. The Son is called the WORd that was with God, and for our salvations he came down from heaven and was made man.

When Jesus walked the earth he was a normal human in his flesh. as a normal human, he had to pray and rely on the Father in heaven for all the works that he did. Buy himself he could do nothing.

But Jesus was always God. The 2nd person of the Trinity.

The two different natures were in one person. Human and God.

Jesus is still Human and will always be fully human.

Edited May 28, 2005 by D Smith

[Trust & Obey]

Greetings Trust & Obey. I don't know what a UPC is, so I guess not. It is a breath of fresh air knowing that doctrines are not what gets you in heaven. I have been beaten over the head and told I'm going to hell for not believing in this doctrine or that, so it's good to know that there are Christians who believe that we are saved by grace and not by man-made doctrines. I hope to chat with you more often.

In God's Love

Um...

1 Timothy 1:4 - Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1 Timothy 4:16 - Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Naw...doctrine isn't important at all man...

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WSB, you completely missed the point of the question, my brother.

The question was whether or not belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation. I think the answer is clearly no.

If you think otherwise, that is fine, but please demonstrate it from Scripture if you are going to hold others to the doctrine in this way.

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Ok. First let me make a distinction. The word "Trinity" is unscriptural, and actually has its origins in hinduism, but the word "Godhead" is scriptural, as is the fact that God is one being in three persons.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So we see we are baptized not in the name of Jesus only, but in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 27:46 - And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 15:34 - And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Luke 23:46 - And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

So then we see that the entire Godhead was involved at the cross. If the Father and the Son are not two seperate persons, then Jesus was just totally out of his mind, talking to a nameless father and telling him to recieve his spirit, etc. As I showed already, the death and resurrection of Jesus would be impossible if God were only in one person, because he had to die AS A MAN, and no man can resurrect himself. Jesus was raised not by himself, but by God the Father.

Romans 6:4 - Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

If you don't believe in a a tri-partide God, then you don't believe Romans 6, 7, or 8, John 1:1, 14, I John 5, Rev. 4 and 5, Genesis 1, John 14, 15, and 16, and many other passages. You may as well throw the Bible out the door and go read a Koran, because you are just as much serving "Another Jesus" as the Muslims are if you are willing to disregard conclusive evidence from the Bible that God is one God in three seperate persons. It is in plain text.

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WSB, so, back to the original question. You feel that it is necessary to believe in the Trinity for salvation?

My question to you: Did the thief on the cross believe in the Trinity?

And, if belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation, why didn't Paul say so here:

Act 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

Act 16:28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Did Paul lead him astray? Did Paul not give him the full gospel?

Nay, belief in the Trinity is not a prerequisite for salvation.

I do believe in the Trinity according to my reading of Scripture, but nowhere is it listed as a condition of salvation.