Michael37 Posted November 13, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,896 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,827 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, n2thelight said: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;" Romans 9:13 "As it is written "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." When did He know them? You say because He know's everything,I take it as they were actually there. Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding." God is asking Job, but directing the question to Elihu as well as Job; where were you when I laid the foundation of this earth age. God is letting Elihu know that nothing that he has said came from Me, so don't put words in My mouth. Job 38:5 "Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?" Who has determined the measurement of the sun, moon, and earth, and placed the line or signs of the constellations around the north? Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;" God is asking, what holds this earth exactly where it is, do you know Job? do you know Elihu? Stop and think for a moment of all the laws of God, those dealing with gravity, with magnetism, with heat and pressures and all the other things that go to make up the atmosphere of the earth that we live on, and rely on for our life, as we live here in these flesh bodies. This sets our Heavenly Father in a class all by Himself. Man is nothing compared to the Creator. Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?" Who were these "sons of God" [the stars that sang], and when did these sons of God sing for Joy? We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them. Some how the people of this earth age are trying to forget Satan and the role that he played at the rebellion in that first earth age. We see that Satan was not in the conversation with Job and his friends at this time. They all have overlooked the overall plan of God. However had Job known the plan of God, where would he have been then, when the foundations of this earth were laid and the angels were rejoicing? Of course He would have been there with the rest of them, where we all were. You see, we the elect of God were chosen before the foundations of this earth were laid, and so was Job. Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world [age], that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children of Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will," Why did He hate Easu? Nothing posted here or anywhere on the internet, nothing in the Bible or in any other book validates the theory of pre-existent souls or spirits, or pre-existent glorified spiritual bodies. Just because God foreknew something or someone and predestined something or someone doesn't mean that thing or person existed in another dimension beforehand. In His infinite wisdom God decided Jacob was a better choice than Esau for His long-term plan of salvation through Christ. In context it has nothing to do with the human emotion of hate and nothing to do with the notion of pre-existent states. Edited November 13, 2018 by Michael37 ommission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted November 13, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Michael37 said: Nothing posted here or anywhere on the internet, nothing in the Bible or in any other book validates the theory of pre-existent souls or spirits, or pre-existent glorified spiritual bodies. Just because God foreknew something or someone and predestined something or someone doesn't mean that thing or person existed in another dimension beforehand. In His infinite wisdom God decided Jacob was a better choice than Esau for His long-term plan of salvation through Christ. In context it has nothing to do with the human emotion of hate and nothing to do with the notion of pre-existent states. Okay,so who were the sons of God? Why did God hate Esau? Anyway we not gonna get anywhere I feel,so you good where you are,as I'm I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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