OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

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33 minutes ago, Butero said:

Everyone that reads that isn't saved.  He is speaking to the elect, and only God knows who the elect are.  

That's right, but God sent His elect out into the world to preach the Good News, which most wont accept.

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33 minutes ago, Butero said:

One thing that many fail to consider is that people generally don't get saved already believing doctrine.  They hear about the plan of salvation, accept Christ, and then start going to church, listening to Bible teachers, etc.  As such, some will listen to teachers that believe and teach OSAS and others will listen to teachers that reject OSAS.  If OSAS is true, a person that gets saved can never get lost again, period, even if they believe doctrine you consider to be false. 

Right, get saved first and then study scripture. After I came to faith, OSAS was easy to discern. The term "lost" is referring to those who are not born again. Consider who Jesus was talking to in Jhn 10 when He mentions the gate of salvation, the working Pharisees...

Jhn 6:35-40 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Jhn 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

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36 minutes ago, Butero said:

That is your spin based on your belief system.  By the way, your spin on blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can't be right, because the Bible adds something to that you and those who believe like you ignore.  It states that those who speak a word against the Holy Ghost will never receive forgiveness in this life or the next, and anyone could speak a word against the Spirit of God, even a Christian.  

blasphemy against the HS is dying in unbelief, what is your belief system?

Jhn 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 

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34 minutes ago, Butero said:

There are things you can do to lose salvation, not to get and keep it.

It's not about you Butero, it's about Christ and what He already did for you on the cross.

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25 minutes ago, Butero said:

That is just spin.  It is rubbish the OSAS teachers use.  I am speaking of your words, not scripture you took out of context.

Either you believe the Word of God or you don't. It's really that simple, but why would you believe anyone's testimony if not God's....

Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,

Phil 1:4-6 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,

1 Jhn 5:9-14 We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.

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28 minutes ago, Butero said:

They departed from the faith.

Because they never had saving faith, they never had the truth

1 Tim 4:3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 

2 Jhn 1:2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

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27 minutes ago, Butero said:

Those are works.  Only pure Calvinists fully believe they have no part in saving themselves.

Less any man should boast? Really?? ?

Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

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28 minutes ago, Butero said:

I wouldn't have to if I don't commit willful sins.

Which you fall short of every day..................

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41 minutes ago, Butero said:

That I can agree with.  Just not your view of who is rejecting it.

If you reject my view, you reject Paul also.

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16 minutes ago, Butero said:

How does that work with regard to speaking a word against the Holy Ghost?  Matthew 12:32

Right, and believers in Christ are actually considered friends of God.

Matt 12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.