OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, discipler777 said:

So, what you are saying is that Paul had fought the good fight, finished the race and kept the faith, not to save himself but just to get some rewards and crowns.

Fyi, "on that Day" means the Day of the 2nd Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth. Salvation and the crown of righteousness come together. It's not the crown of unrighteousness or lawlessness/sins.

Right, Paul didn't teach loss of salvation, it was the opposite. it was Grace salvation

Rom 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Rom 8:31-39 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.” 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2Co 1:21-22 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2Co 5:4-6 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

Eph 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Phil 1:4-6 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Col 2:13-15 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

1Ti 1:16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.

Tit 1:1-2 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness— 2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Tit 3:3-8 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone.

[discipler777]

8 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

9 hours ago, Butero said:

Nobody is saving themselves whether they believe OSAS or reject it.

But you're adding loss of salvation if we don't do this or that. you're focus always goes back on us and what we can do.

HEBREWS.10:26-31 (NKJV) = 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “TheLord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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EPHESIANS.4:25-32 = Do Not Grieve the Spirit

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, discipler777 said:

HEBREWS.10:26-31 (NKJV) = 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “TheLord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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EPHESIANS.4:25-32 = Do Not Grieve the Spirit

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

Heb 6:4-6 and Heb 10:26 are a cross reference for the crucifixion of Christ and is in reference to the maturity in a believer, Heb 5:14 Heb 6:1...... All Eph 4 is saying is that the HS can be quenched through sin, it doesn't mean you are unsealed. It doesn't mean God tosses his children into the lake of fire because of lack of maturity or kindness.

[discipler777]

11 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

15 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

So, what you are saying is that Paul had fought the good fight, finished the race and kept the faith, not to save himself but just to get some rewards and crowns.

Fyi, "on that Day" means the Day of the 2nd Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to earth. Salvation and the crown of righteousness come together. It's not the crown of unrighteousness or lawlessness/sins.

Right, Paul didn't teach loss of salvation, it was the opposite. it was Grace salvation

1TIMOTHY.4: (NKJV) = Fight the Good Fight

18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, discipler777 said:

1TIMOTHY.4: (NKJV) = Fight the Good Fight

18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

And fighting the good fight is always in reference to rewards and crowns.

1 Cor 3:15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames.

[discipler777]

2 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

7 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

HEBREWS.10:26-31 (NKJV) = 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “TheLord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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EPHESIANS.4:25-32 = Do Not Grieve the Spirit

25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”: do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

Heb 6:4-6 and Heb 10:26 are a cross reference for the crucifixion of Christ and is in reference to the maturity in a believer, Heb 5:14 Heb 6:1...... All Eph 4 is saying is that the HS can be quenched through sin, it doesn't mean you are unsealed. It doesn't mean God tosses his children into the lake of fire because of lack of maturity or kindness.

So, what you are saying is that once-saved Christians can go and insult the Spirit of grace and continue to grieve the Holy Spirit by sinning willfully and yet are still always saved. That is not what the Word of God says, ...

REVELATION.22:12-17 (NKJV) = Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, discipler777 said:

So, what you are saying is that once-saved Christians can go and insult the Spirit of grace and continue to grieve the Holy Spirit by sinning willfully and yet are still always saved. That is not what the Word of God says, ...

REVELATION.22:12-17 (NKJV) = Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

The author is using metaphorical language to describe the crucifixion. We are no longer under wrath, and we are actually considered friends of God..Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

The commandment is to love, and believers will never stop loving Christ

[discipler777]

3 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

9 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

1TIMOTHY.4: (NKJV) = Fight the Good Fight

18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

And fighting the good fight is always in reference to rewards and crowns.

1 Cor 3:15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved--even though only as one escaping through the flames.

(1COR.3:15) - ... "yet will be saved" only if the burning/suffering sinner still kept the faith or not lost faith or a faith that is not shipwrecked. 

Salvation is by faith. So, it goes without saying that no-salvation is by no-faith.(JOHN.3:18) Willful sins will result in the sinner being burned up and may lead to no-faith or lost-faith or shipwrecked-faith = no-salvation.

[Heb 13:8]

5 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

(1COR.3:15) - ... "yet will be saved" only if the burning/suffering sinner still kept the faith or not lost faith or a faith that is not shipwrecked. 

Salvation is by faith. So, it goes without saying that no-salvation is by no-faith.(JOHN.3:18) Willful sins will result in the sinner being burned up and may lead to no-faith or lost-faith or shipwrecked-faith = no-salvation.

His works will be burned up. The builder will suffer loss but will be saved, escaping through the flames.

[discipler777]

5 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

11 minutes ago, discipler777 said:

So, what you are saying is that once-saved Christians can go and insult the Spirit of grace and continue to grieve the Holy Spirit by sinning willfully and yet are still always saved. That is not what the Word of God says, ...

REVELATION.22:12-17 (NKJV) = Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

The author is using metaphorical language to describe the crucifixion. We are no longer under wrath, and we are actually considered friends of God..Heb 10:27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

The commandment is to love, and believers will never stop loving Christ

Whatever it is, the Word of God says that those who do not keep God's commandments(= do not love God/Jesus) and are dogs(= Gentile unbelievers), sorcerers, sexually immorals, murderers, idolaters and liars do not have the right to the tree of life which bears good fruit/works. The Word of God says that there were once-saved believers who had sinned willfully as mentioned. Even 'Blood Bought 1953' admitted that he enjoyed sinning very much as a once-saved Christian. 

So, OSAS is very likely a false teaching because it goes against the Word of God.