What Happens When you Die?

[OpenMind]

 

On 4/30/2019 at 3:52 PM, HAZARD said:

Every living thing has a Body a soul and spirit. The body is the outward form or house in which his soul and spirit dwell, (Gen. 2:7, 19; John 5:28-29; Matt. 27: 52; 1 Cor. 15:34-58; Jas. 2:26; 1 Thess. 5:23; Heb. 10:5-10.

The soul is that invisible part which feels , the seat of his emotions and desires, and which gives him self consciousness and makes him a sentient being (Lev. 23:43; 1 Sam. 22:2; 30:6; 2 Sam. 13:39; 2 Kings 4:27; 23:3; Ps. 107:5, 9, 18, 26; Mark 12:33; Matt. 26:38; John 12:27; Heb. 10:38; Heb. 4:12).
 

Do any of those scripture verses you cite actually say what you claim they say?  I don't believe they do.  In fact, most of your references there are completely random and unrelated, so why don't you, for each of your two statements above, post the actual words of the verse that you think most closely resembles your own statement and then we can go from there.

 

[Hobie_]

On 5/2/2019 at 6:33 AM, Betha said:

I find it all interesting and agree with much of what you say but using too many scriptures can make us lose sight of what is actually being asked and discussed. We need to take things 'slowly, one step at the time in order to get a clearer picture. Having too much information thrust at us is not helpful...it's like 'overeating/overdrinking at a Party and ending up sick, unwell and unfit.

I know 'taking things slowly is not in our human nature....'instant everything has become the norm which is  destructing and harmful and discouraging to a LEARNER/Apprentice/Disciple of Christ who is preparing us for Eternity with great Patience - a GODLY virtue ! 

A good place to start would be the ressurection, why does it occur if everyone is already in heaven?

[OpenMind]

15 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

A good place to start would be the ressurection, why does it occur if everyone is already in heaven?

This is a question that nobody can answer, because it brilliantly exposes the lie of immediate life after death.  Once a person admits that this simple logic does not reconcile with main stream teaching, the flood gates of truth can open.

[OpenMind]

On 5/2/2019 at 4:07 AM, Betha said:

Without receiving GOD's Holy Spirit into our human spirit we can not be changed into a NEW spirit body....just like there can be NO human Baby without a male sperm entering a female ovum....no Baby - no body. No Holy Spirit - no new spirit body. Phil 3v21; 

It takes 2 people male and female to make a NEW person, a New Body and it takes 2 spirits human and God to make us into a New Spirit Being....one alone can not do it.

I appreciate the effort, but you must admit that claiming we need to join together two spirits to make one is simple nonsense.  Instead of trying to force this doctrine to fit into the scriptures, try letting scripture tell you what you are.  That would be a good starting point.  Are you a body, or are you a spirit?  Establish that and go from there.

[OpenMind]

On 5/2/2019 at 4:33 AM, Betha said:

I find it all interesting and agree with much of what you say but using too many scriptures can make us lose sight of what is actually being asked and discussed. We need to take things 'slowly, one step at the time in order to get a clearer picture. Having too much information thrust at us is not helpful...it's like 'overeating/overdrinking at a Party and ending up sick, unwell and unfit.

I know 'taking things slowly is not in our human nature....'instant everything has become the norm which is  destructing and harmful and discouraging to a LEARNER/Apprentice/Disciple of Christ who is preparing us for Eternity with great Patience - a GODLY virtue ! 

Betha, I think the scripture blast was exactly the point of his post.  It's a common strategy in a debate that can't be won to post an overwhelming amount of random references, hoping that nobody will actually make the effort to verify whether they say what you claim they say so that all those meaningless references appear as overwhelming evidence.  Thankfully, it's easy enough to copy and paste all those references into biblegateway.com and see them all on one page which quickly reveals the farce.

Edited May 5, 2019 by OpenMind

[OpenMind]

Job 32:8

Surely a spirit is in man, And the breath of the Mighty One Doth cause them to understand.

The word translated as spirit in Job 32:8 is ruach, which means breath, wind, spirit.  The word "breath" in that same verse is from the word neshamah.  Neshamah is primarily "breath" but can also be translated as "breath of life", which is the breath of God, and in this case obviously he is speaking of the breath of God.  I believe "spirit" is the most logical translation of the word ruach in Job 32:8 but not in the sense of an entity, rather the attributes of character, in this case "the spirit of understanding".

If you read the entire passage you'll see that Elihu the son of Barachel was speaking and explaining that he had stayed quiet because he was the youngest and believed he should let the elders speak because age brings understanding, but here he's explaining that he realized that age does not bring wisdom, rather the breath of God brings wisdom, which he has.

But it is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.

In other words he's speaking of the "spirit of understanding" that is received from God.  This is the only context in which the use of the word spirit here makes sense.  Coincidentally, this is the same "spirit of understanding" that Isaiah spoke of.

Isaiah 11:2

And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

[OpenMind]

It kind of sounds like we're on the same wave length, but I'm not sure.  Are we in agreement then that neither Isaiah 11 nor Job 32 are referring to a spiritual entity inside our body that lives on after death?

[OpenMind]

Philippians 3:21

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

This is a clear reference to the last day resurrection, which Paul also describes in 1 Corinthians 15.

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

[Hobie_]

On 5/4/2019 at 11:19 PM, OpenMind said:

This is a question that nobody can answer, because it brilliantly exposes the lie of immediate life after death.  Once a person admits that this simple logic does not reconcile with main stream teaching, the flood gates of truth can open.

Very true.

[Daniel Marsh]

Isaiah 14:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
9 The world of the dead
    eagerly waits for you.
With great excitement,
the spirits of ancient rulers
    hear about your coming.
10 Each one of them will say,
“Now you are just as weak
    as any of us!
11 Your pride and your music
have ended here
    in the world of the dead.
Worms are your blanket,
    maggots are your bed.”