a civil debate about homosexuality

[Trinity]

Revelation 3:14-17

"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm

[Guest shiloh357]

Mike, all you have done is sated your own conscience. God has not told you that it is OK for you to carry on a romantic relationship with another man. That exists only in your imagination. You have justified it to yourself, and you are the one twisting God's Word around.

Furthermore, you work from an inherent contradiction. You have already stated in another post that the Bible is just a book written by mortal men based upon their interpretation of God.

Yet you appeal to the Bible's teaching about the love of God. You have implied that you do not need to heed the commandments about a man lying with another man, since the Bible has no Divine authority. Well if that is so, and that is what you really believe, then you cannot appeal to the Bible or any Divine authority for your right to be gay. You cannot claim that God says its OK, since everything you think about God to be true, you try to base on a book you that, according to your implication fails as a reliable moral code, and revelation of the Will of God. You cannot claim to be a Christian either, since the heart of Christianity is the Divine inspiration and the inerrant nature of Scripture. A true Christian believes the Bible is true from cover to cover. Any deficiency of understanding lies with us, and not with the Bible.

If you were a Christian, then you would have the Holy Spirit living within you, and He would have convicted you about the sinfulness of Homosexuality.

You are trying to have it both ways. The truth is, you are gay, and you have allowed the enemy (satan) to con you into thinking that homosexuality is OK.

It is not to late for you turn from this wickedness. You need to allow God, through the power of His Holy Spirit to deliver you from this. But first, you must repent of your sin and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior. If you want to know how, let me know, but the decision is yours to make.

You can have Jesus, or you can homosexuality; you cannot have both.

[Trinity]

Thats exctly what it is in a nut shell, good post shiloh

[Matthitjah]

Mike,

God Bless you. Go to bed. Hopefully tomorrow I will have time to carry on this conversation.

One thing to think about is this statement you just made;

where to draw the line is a big question - and i suppose i dont have an answer to that, except when it feels wrong in your heart then its wrong from God

God's Word repeatedly states that all mens hearts are desperately wicked. Matter of fact our imaginations constantly think up new ways to sin. The Lord stated that,"out of our hearts flow the words of the mouth."(paraphrase) In other words the way we speak has alot to do with the imaginations of our minds and hearts.

Jer

[Trinity]

Yes have a good sleep! We really do care about you, we aren't trying to sound mean or pushy, we just care so much about you

[Ovedya]

Why does this sound like bickering to me?

[Trinity]

Why does this sound like bickering to me?

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lol

[Guest charlie]

Why does this sound like bickering to me?

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I don't know; considering the subject matter I thought everybody was trying to be as nice as possible.

[nebula]

Mike -

Why do you care what we think?

Yes, it is true that "nothing can separate you from the love of God.

That doesn't give you a liscence to determine for yourself what is good and what is evil.

Tell me, what Scripture can you give to justify your position?

[Guest mike626]

morning everyoen, i slept very well thanks

ok, scripture

first off (i probably should have said this earlyer) im not actualy in a relationship at the moment - i have been in them, but that was before i was christian - im working these out with God : im still working through the issue of where to draw the line - only when im comfortable with where that is will i start concidering entering into any form of relationship

but, the question i find myself asking is "should i sacrifice human relationships for God"

this is most probably a yes, but the main word is sacrifice, to be celebate is to give up intimate relationships (or in other words, sacrifice them for love of God)

but then i get to Proverbs 21:2, which says

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the heart"

so yes, what that is saying (IMO) is that people will find ways to justify their lifestyle (as some people have pointed out, i am doing this) but that it is the heart that is important, the LORD weighs the heart

and i think that everyoen (and i mean absolutely every single person out there) lives differently to how they should di with God, but God will weigh their hearts, and if they have come to know God in their hearts, that is all God wants for them to inherit his kingdom of heaven

that is honestly what i believe, we are all not as we should probablly be, and there is no avoiding that fact - we all deserve to be thrown into the fires of damnation - but it is through the purity of our hearts we will be saved

ok, so when i say the purity of our hearts, you all probably think my heart is not pure because of the homosexuality - but many other laes clearly stated are ignored - but these are equally sinnful acts, so hwo will any of us be saved

the answer, quite simply, is Faith in Jesus Christ

amen