Do unto others

[Not me]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Matthew 7:12 (NASB)
"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

“In everything”

Putting forth that this is the one rule we should always be judging our behavior towards another person by.

This; when Jesus spoke these words He didn’t equivocate, this was to be  a maxim. This was put forth to be alone that standard of measurement of our behavior towards another.

For this standard of measurement is only for one way. This instruction to treat others as we would have them treat us only concerns our behavior towards the other. Not their behavior towards us. We are to trust God in the behavior coming back towards us in all things. 

 For it is never a issue of how someone treats us.  The issue is always how we do the treating. This is the behavior that not only truly blesses the receiver of such a behavior, it is the behavior that most opens the door that God can bless the giver of such a behavior. 

 This “in everything” and that which follows is to be our standard of measurement of our behavior towards all. It matters not whether we like or don’t like, whether we feel their worthy of receiving such a expression of behavior.  The issue put forth is;

“treat people the same way you would want them to treat you”.

If we would not have someone be rude to us, let us not be rude to them. If we would not have someone be short with us, let us not be short with them. If we would not have someone force their will on us, let us not force our wills on them. Let us be doers of this word to treat people as you would have them treat you. 

It matters not if they return the behavior. For we are to be a expression of love to all people at all times.  For we know not how God is working in that life. For God is always working, drawing some, growing others.

For God’s will is that all men be saved, that all would come to know the knowledge of the truth. This is God’s heart and will towards all. This Heart that gave His only begotten Son that we might live and live in love one towards another. For the fulfillment of the law and the prophets is here in this scripture;

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Let us fulfill the law and the prophets by treating other people like we would have them treat us. 

For in this is blessings in the here and now, and great rewards to come. 

For what is love, what is righteousness, what is being a peace maker? For such is God’s will in all things. 

 

Love in Christ, Not me 

[Debp]

That was always one of my favorite verses (learned in Sunday School as a child).   I also liked "A soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger." For some reason these verses made an impression on me as a child.   They still remain in my heart.

[Not me]

7 minutes ago, Debp said:

That was always one of my favorite verses (learned in Sunday School as a child).   I also liked "A soft answer turns away wrath, but grievous words stir up anger."

Blessings Debp, that’s a excellent scripture also. May God continue to grow Himself in you. 

Blessings in Christ, Not me 

edit; Debp that scripture might make a topic for a great post?  Food for prayer. Not me

Edited August 2, 2019 by Not me

[Pekoudah]

10 hours ago, Not me said:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Matthew 7:12 (NASB)
"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

“In everything”

Putting forth that this is the one rule we should always be judging our behavior towards another person by.

This; when Jesus spoke these words He didn’t equivocate, this was to be  a maxim. This was put forth to be alone that standard of measurement of our behavior towards another.

For this standard of measurement is only for one way. This instruction to treat others as we would have them treat us only concerns our behavior towards the other. Not their behavior towards us. We are to trust God in the behavior coming back towards us in all things. 

 For it is never a issue of how someone treats us.  The issue is always how we do the treating. This is the behavior that not only truly blesses the receiver of such a behavior, it is the behavior that most opens the door that God can bless the giver of such a behavior. 

 This “in everything” and that which follows is to be our standard of measurement of our behavior towards all. It matters not whether we like or don’t like, whether we feel their worthy of receiving such a expression of behavior.  The issue put forth is;

“treat people the same way you would want them to treat you”.

If we would not have someone be rude to us, let us not be rude to them. If we would not have someone be short with us, let us not be short with them. If we would not have someone force their will on us, let us not force our wills on them. Let us be doers of this word to treat people as you would have them treat you. 

It matters not if they return the behavior. For we are to be a expression of love to all people at all times.  For we know not how God is working in that life. For God is always working, drawing some, growing others.

For God’s will is that all men be saved, that all would come to know the knowledge of the truth. This is God’s heart and will towards all. This Heart that gave His only begotten Son that we might live and live in love one towards another. For the fulfillment of the law and the prophets is here in this scripture;

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Let us fulfill the law and the prophets by treating other people like we would have them treat us. 

For in this is blessings in the here and now, and great rewards to come. 

For what is love, what is righteousness, what is being a peace maker? For such is God’s will in all things. 

 

Love in Christ, Not me 

Amen. This is the basic righteousness requirement that fulfills the second tablet of commandments...to love your neighbour as yourself.

Although this is an OT standard...it is still the right thing to do...and God sees this as doing righteousness.

Of course God has "upped the ante" in the NT whereby we have a new commandment to love as Jesus loved. This is of course a far higher standard. And this is to be done by grace.

Grace is within the law...the truth is like a wheel within a wheel...so then grace (the power to fulfill the law) is WITHIN the law in the form of a the living word (rhema) whereas the letter of the law is to the outward man...and he can only fulfill the outer part of it. But not the spiritual part.

When Jesus called Peter out of the boat in order to do the "impossible" ...to walk on water as Jesus was doing...the rhema (living) word from Jesus had the power in it (grace) to fulfill it. So Peter was able to fulfill the command of Jesus. Had he tried on his own to do it he would have failed...definitely. So then grace is contained INSIDE the law (not outside of it)......in order to give us the power to fulfill it when we are commanded directly by God.

So then to love others as ourselves...is still within our own capacity..an OT standard.

But the NT standard is impossible unless we are called to it by God. The deadness of the letter or just knowing of the higher calling does not give us the grace to fulfill it. We need to ask God for His grace rather than to try or claim to do things from our own strength or faith.

No, we need a word from God. DIRECTLY from God. THAT is the NT standard that produces a NT faith. To be able to walk on water as Peter did as He heard Jesus calling Him to do it.

And that is the famine that has spread over the land ...a famine from hearing the words (living) from the Lord. And this in time of a multiplication of written words (bible) but that has unfortunately replaced actually seeking of His words directed specifically towards us.

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The outer man can fulfill the outer part of the law. That is righteousness. But to fulfill the inner part one needs grace strengthening the inner man since the law is spiritual. That is holiness.

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Pekoudah

[Pekoudah]

28 minutes ago, Pekoudah said:

Amen. This is the basic righteousness requirement that fulfills the second tablet of commandments...to love your neighbour as yourself.

Although this is an OT standard...it is still the right thing to do...and God sees this as doing righteousness.

Of course God has "upped the ante" in the NT whereby we have a new commandment to love as Jesus loved. This is of course a far higher standard. And this is to be done by grace.

Grace is within the law...the truth is like a wheel within a wheel...so then grace (the power to fulfill the law) is WITHIN the law in the form a the living word (rhema) whereas the letter of the law is to the outward man...and he can only fulfill the outer part of it. But the the spiritual part.

When Jesus called Peter out of the boat in order to do the "impossible" ...to walk on water as Jesus was doing...the rhema (living) word from Jesus had the power in it (grace) to fulfill it. So Peter was able to fulfill the command of Jesus. Had he tried on his own to do it he would have failed...definitely. So then grace is contained INSIDE the law (not outside of it)......in order to give us the power to fulfill it when we are commanded directly by God.

So then to love others as ourselves...is still within our own capacity..an OT standard.

But the NT standard is impossible unless we are called to it by God. The deadness of the letter or just knowing of the higher calling does not giver us the grace to fulfill it. We need to ask God for His grace rather than to just claim rather than try or claim to do things from our own strength or faith.

No, we need a word from God. DIRECTLY from God. THAT is the NT standard that produces a NT faith. To be able to walk on water as peter did as He heard Jesus calling Him to do it.

And that is the famine that has spread over the land ...a famine from hearing the words (living) from the Lord. And this in time of a multiplication of written words (bible) but that has unfortunately replaced actually seeking of His words directed specifically towards us.

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The outer man can fulfill the outer part of the law. That is righteousness. But to fulfill the inner part one needs grace strengthening the inner man since the law is spiritual. That is holiness.

It should be remembered that there are the 2 tablets of the law...corresponding to the 2 major commandments. One concerns righteousness and the other, holiness. A man can physically do only the outward law of himself. But grace is required to fulfill the law inwardly. The law is spiritual. The depth of the law is to love as Jesus loved...without any spot or wrinkle of sin or offense against the truth.

 

We need Christ to fulfill the law as intended...to it's proper depth...to be holy as God is holy.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Pekoudah

[GandalfTheWise]

4 hours ago, Not me said:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

The one quotation that has pushed more than one marriage to the brink when taken literally.  The loving husband who treats his wife as he wants to be treated and the loving wife who treats her husband the way she wants to be treated follow this literally.  Then they are at a loss to figure out why their spouse is angry and frustrated with them.   

We do need to take into account that the other person may have different preferences, priorities, and needs than us and not just assume they want exactly the same treatment that we want.  

[Pekoudah]

11 minutes ago, GandalfTheWise said:

The one quotation that has pushed more than one marriage to the brink when taken literally.  The loving husband who treats his wife as he wants to be treated and the loving wife who treats her husband the way she wants to be treated follow this literally.  Then they are at a loss to figure out why their spouse is angry and frustrated with them.   

We do need to take into account that the other person may have different preferences, priorities, and needs than us and not just assume they want exactly the same treatment that we want.  

This is indeed true. But we are talking here of one person's outer man conflicting with the outer man of another. Human trying to please human. But this may be good for marriage in the temporal sense but it isn't the better way.

But when we love...not to please the other but God...to be empowered to love as He loved, then let the chips fall where they may. In that case it isn't you they are rejecting but He through whom you are living and acting, and loving... Then we are talking of an unbelieving spouse. But if the unbelieving spouse chooses to remain with someone who loves the Lord and THROUGH the Lord...then all the better.

But in all things we should try to be all things to all men. There is a flexibility in love...so that unless a person is seeking a selfish love or desire...there is a way to get along in this life. I think it's important for a believer to KNOW from the Lord whom they are permitted to marry...in order to avoid all the problems that plague marriages...even Christian marriages today.

[Not me]

2 hours ago, Pekoudah said:

Amen. This is the basic righteousness requirement that fulfills the second tablet of commandments...to love your neighbour as yourself.

Although this is an OT standard...it is still the right thing to do...and God sees this as doing righteousness.

Of course God has "upped the ante" in the NT whereby we have a new commandment to love as Jesus loved. This is of course a far higher standard. And this is to be done by grace.

Grace is within the law...the truth is like a wheel within a wheel...so then grace (the power to fulfill the law) is WITHIN the law in the form a the living word (rhema) whereas the letter of the law is to the outward man...and he can only fulfill the outer part of it. But not the spiritual part.

When Jesus called Peter out of the boat in order to do the "impossible" ...to walk on water as Jesus was doing...the rhema (living) word from Jesus had the power in it (grace) to fulfill it. So Peter was able to fulfill the command of Jesus. Had he tried on his own to do it he would have failed...definitely. So then grace is contained INSIDE the law (not outside of it)......in order to give us the power to fulfill it when we are commanded directly by God.

So then to love others as ourselves...is still within our own capacity..an OT standard.

But the NT standard is impossible unless we are called to it by God. The deadness of the letter or just knowing of the higher calling does not give us the grace to fulfill it. We need to ask God for His grace rather than to try or claim to do things from our own strength or faith.

No, we need a word from God. DIRECTLY from God. THAT is the NT standard that produces a NT faith. To be able to walk on water as Peter did as He heard Jesus calling Him to do it.

And that is the famine that has spread over the land ...a famine from hearing the words (living) from the Lord. And this in time of a multiplication of written words (bible) but that has unfortunately replaced actually seeking of His words directed specifically towards us.

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The outer man can fulfill the outer part of the law. That is righteousness. But to fulfill the inner part one needs grace strengthening the inner man since the law is spiritual. That is holiness.

 

It is such a awesome thing to know that it is;

“access by faith into the grace wherein we stand”

Blessings, in Christ, Not me 

1 hour ago, GandalfTheWise said:

The one quotation that has pushed more than one marriage to the brink when taken literally.  The loving husband who treats his wife as he wants to be treated and the loving wife who treats her husband the way she wants to be treated follow this literally.  Then they are at a loss to figure out why their spouse is angry and frustrated with them.   

We do need to take into account that the other person may have different preferences, priorities, and needs than us and not just assume they want exactly the same treatment that we want.  

Unless I miss my guess, when all is said and done and they stand before Christ and blame their marriage breaking up on the words the scripture. I believe it will be proven that is was their misunderstanding or lack of correct application that was the cause and not the words of Christ.

That would be my best guess. 

But blessing as we search into the truth as it is in Jesus, Not me 

[GandalfTheWise]

42 minutes ago, Not me said:

Unless I miss my guess, when all is said and done and they stand before Christ and blame their marriage breaking up on the words the scripture. I believe it will be proven that is was their misunderstanding or lack of correct application that was the cause and not the words of Christ.

That would be my best guess. 

  I wasn't trying for anything profound, just a common sense observation from a number of marriage seminars and books I've read and listening to various couples talk about things over the years.

I usually cringe whenever I hear anyone quote the golden rule in regard to marriages without the common sense explanation that spouses often want to be treated differently from their mate.  If taken literally word for word, the golden rule tells a husband to ignore what their wife really wants and treat her the way he wants to be treated.  More than one loving Christian husband has sincerely and conscientiously done that and couldn't figure out why his wife became increasingly frustrated, angry, and distant.  That goes the other direction as well for Christian wives.

If a man talks about a problem, he's likely asking for help and wants input and assistance.  If a women talks about a problem, there's a good chance she's venting and just wants someone to listen.   A husband tells his wife about things that are bothering him and she'll sympathetically listen and not do anything because she assumes he just wanted to vent.  A wife tells her husband about things bothering her and get frustrated when he starts interrupting her with questions, suggestions, and solutions.   I was married about 10 years before I learned this one.  I also found it was often true in the workplace.  I found that just listening to a female colleague vent and not saying anything was often the best move.  At times, it was like they were letting off steam and when they finished they took a deep breath and sighed and more or less forgot what they were talking about and went on to the next subject. 

When a man is frustrated, there's a good chance he wants to be left alone.  Following him around and continually asking what is wrong will likely increase frustration.  When a woman is frustrated, there's a good chance she wants someone to talk to.   Leaving her alone might only increase her frustration.  Then there's the wife saying "Leave me alone!" which might mean "I need to be alone" or it might mean "do you love me enough to stick with me?" in which case a husband has to figure out if he should leave her alone or stay with her.

There are a number of such differences that tend to hold to some degree for many couples.  Then there are the individual differences we all have on top of that.   There are many such things that most couples do NOT figure out on their own but need to learn from someone else.

It is the assumption that one's spouse wants exactly the same thing you do that had lead to many marital problems over the years.   If one treats their spouse exactly the same way that they want to be treated, there is going to be pain and frustration resulting from that.   Many loving Christian couples who have had marital problems have indeed been sincerely trying but had no clue that they weren't treating their spouse the way the spouse wanted to be treated.  One of the first messages of the best marriage materials I've seen is that you and your spouse are likely clueless about how they really expect to be treated.

[Not me]

1 hour ago, GandalfTheWise said:

  I wasn't trying for anything profound, just a common sense observation from a number of marriage seminars and books I've read and listening to various couples talk about things over the years.

I usually cringe whenever I hear anyone quote the golden rule in regard to marriages without the common sense explanation that spouses often want to be treated differently from their mate.  If taken literally word for word, the golden rule tells a husband to ignore what their wife really wants and treat her the way he wants to be treated.  More than one loving Christian husband has sincerely and conscientiously done that and couldn't figure out why his wife became increasingly frustrated, angry, and distant.  That goes the other direction as well for Christian wives.

If a man talks about a problem, he's likely asking for help and wants input and assistance.  If a women talks about a problem, there's a good chance she's venting and just wants someone to listen.   A husband tells his wife about things that are bothering him and she'll sympathetically listen and not do anything because she assumes he just wanted to vent.  A wife tells her husband about things bothering her and get frustrated when he starts interrupting her with questions, suggestions, and solutions.   I was married about 10 years before I learned this one.  I also found it was often true in the workplace.  I found that just listening to a female colleague vent and not saying anything was often the best move.  At times, it was like they were letting off steam and when they finished they took a deep breath and sighed and more or less forgot what they were talking about and went on to the next subject. 

When a man is frustrated, there's a good chance he wants to be left alone.  Following him around and continually asking what is wrong will likely increase frustration.  When a woman is frustrated, there's a good chance she wants someone to talk to.   Leaving her alone might only increase her frustration.  Then there's the wife saying "Leave me alone!" which might mean "I need to be alone" or it might mean "do you love me enough to stick with me?" in which case a husband has to figure out if he should leave her alone or stay with her.

There are a number of such differences that tend to hold to some degree for many couples.  Then there are the individual differences we all have on top of that.   There are many such things that most couples do NOT figure out on their own but need to learn from someone else.

It is the assumption that one's spouse wants exactly the same thing you do that had lead to many marital problems over the years.   If one treats their spouse exactly the same way that they want to be treated, there is going to be pain and frustration resulting from that.   Many loving Christian couples who have had marital problems have indeed been sincerely trying but had no clue that they weren't treating their spouse the way the spouse wanted to be treated.  One of the first messages of the best marriage materials I've seen is that you and your spouse are likely clueless about how they really expect to be treated.

It is true that any scriptural truth applied where it does not belong, becomes lie.

For in the end all scriptural truths will be proven to be true, accurate, and correct. 

Blessings, in Christ, Not me  

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Not me