Parable Of Job

[Walter and Deborah]

9-27-19

Parable Of Job

Job Twenty Eight 1-28, Wisdom Only From God And Fear Of Him:

Job 28:28 28And he said to the human race, "The fear of the LORD-that is wisdom, and to shun evil is understanding."

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The Earth's Treasures

1Surely there is a vein for the silver, and a place for gold where they fine it.

2Iron is taken out of the earth, and brass is molten out of the stone.

3He setteth an end to darkness, and searcheth out all perfection: the stones of darkness, and the shadow of death.

4The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.

5As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.

6The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.

7There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:

8The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.

9He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.

10He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.

11He bindeth the floods from overflowing; and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light.

Wisdom an Excellent Gift of God

12But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?

13Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.

14The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.

15It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.

16It cannot be valued with the gold of Ophir, with the precious onyx, or the sapphire.

17The gold and the crystal cannot equal it: and the exchange of it shall not be for jewels of fine gold.

18No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.

19The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.

20Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?

21Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.

22Destruction and death say, We have heard the fame thereof with our ears.

23God understandeth the way thereof, and he knoweth the place thereof.

24For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

25To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure.

26When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder:

27Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out.

28And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Love always, Walter and Deborah

Edited September 27, 2019 by Walter and Deborah
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[Neighbor]

Parable?

Though much of the writing is poetic, I do not see Job as allegory, nor parable, but instead the account much  of it in poetic form of a real person.

 

[Walter and Deborah]

6 hours ago, Tampered With said:

Job is a lesson that G_d is able though life may take away everything man holds as valuable to not only restore more than you had but to protect you from Satan's best assaults. 

Amen

[Dennis1209]

First rule of a parable as I understand it; a parable doesn't name proper names or specific people.

[Neighbor]

7 hours ago, Tampered With said:

Job is a lesson that G_d is able though life may take away everything man holds as valuable to not only restore more than you had but to protect you from Satan's best assaults. 

Hi, What the Book of Job taught me was that God is sovereign over all matters, that He is to be worshipped, thanked, accepted, and obeyed in all things all matters pertaining my own existence. God started me on the Book of Job as my own pre-introduction to Him.

God intended to make Job the Patient, in order to do so He had to make Job the suffer. From an excerpt of exposition by Charles Spurgeon: "That was Job’s character before the trial which made him famous; perhaps, if it had not been for that trial, we should never have heard of him; now, as the apostle James wrote, “Ye have heard of the patience of Job.” God, by great; afflictions, gave to his servant that usefulness for which he had possibly prayed, without knowing how it would come to him. A long-continued life, of prosperity may not so truly glorify God as a life that is chequered by adversity; and God, who intended to put honour upon his servant, did as kings do when they confer the honour of knighthood, they strike with the, back or flat of the sword, so God smote the patriarch Job that he might raise him above his fellow men. The Lord intended to make him Job the patient, but to that end He must make him Job the sufferer. From this Book I learn what gospel perfection is. We are told that Job was perfect and upright, yet I am sure that he was not free from tendencies to evil, he was not absolutely perfect. As old Master Trapp says, “God’s people may be perfect, but they are not perfectly perfect;” and so it certainly was with Job. There were imperfections deep down in his character which his trials developed, and which the grace of God no doubt afterwards removed; but after the manner of speech that is used in Holy Scripture, Job was a “perfect” man; he was sincere, thorough-hearted, consecrated; and he was also “upright.” He leaned neither this way nor that way, he had no twist in him, he had no selfish ends to serve. He was “one that feared God.” Everybody could see that; and, consequently, he hated evil with all his heart."

[Worship Warriors]

On 9/27/2019 at 9:48 PM, Walter and Deborah said:

9-27-19

Parable Of Job

 

What I got out of the book of Job is that at the end, he receives the double portion blessings.   The double portion blessings :   Job received double his former wealth. The double portion is the 1st born blessings. The firstborn son was to receive twice as much of an inheritance as any other son in the family.( Deuteronomy 21:16-17)   Israel was called God's firstborn. When you come to Mount Zion, you enter into the double blessings inheritance. The church is called the church of the first born. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Hebrews 12:23) Job became perfected in his faith.  There was a redemptive purpose in the long wait. We see God getting a man ready to have a face to face encounter with Him in the holy of holies on Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem the place of the throne room . We have not been called to Mount Sinai a type of the baptism of the Holy Spirit but to Mount Zion During the waiting time Job did not waver in faith but his faith grew strong and his hope in God abounded yet more and more until perseverance had finished its work causing Job to stand mature complete lacking anything in God. A perfect man to the measure of the statute of the fullness of Christ. Look at the caliber this man Job had attained to. In Ezekiel 14:14 he is mentioned along with Daniel as one who have attained uncompromising righteousness. how long did it take for Job to become perfected in faith?   The bible does not say, but I did the math:   Job lived for 140 years after his trials. If Job lived for 140 years after his trials, then God also gave Job double the years to live. If God gave him double to live, Job would have been 70 at the time his trials began .This being the case, he would have lived to be 210 years old. Job live a long life. He saw his sons and  his son sons even to 4th generation. The indication is that God restored back to Job all the years in captivity and also gave him more years to live on both totaling 140 years. We don’t know how many years the captivity was, but it would have been LONG- from a good 40 years to 70 years.   the theme of the book
The theme of the book is not Why does God allow the righteous to suffer? Rather the theme of the book is about how should the righteous face hardship. You are under great trials, how do you handle it? With Patience and hope. The Greek word for patience is "hupomone", which describes the trait of one who is able to abide under the weight of trials and maintain fidelity and hope in God Job kept fidelity and patience in God all during the LONG period of captivity . we  are exhorted to consider the patience of Job and to let patience do its perfect work in us ,For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

 

 

[Walter and Deborah]

4 hours ago, Worship Warriors said:

What I got out of the book of Job is that at the end, he receives the double portion blessings.   The double portion blessings :   Job received double his former wealth. The double portion is the 1st born blessings. The firstborn son was to receive twice as much of an inheritance as any other son in the family.( Deuteronomy 21:16-17)     Israel was called God's firstborn. When you come to Mount Zion, you enter into the double blessings inheritance. The church is called the church of the first born.   To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Hebrews 12:23)     Job became perfected in his faith.  There was a redemptive purpose in the long wait. We see God getting a man ready to have a face to face encounter with Him in the holy of holies on Mount Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem the place of the throne room . We have not been called to Mount Sinai a type of the baptism of the Holy Spirit but to Mount Zion   During the waiting time Job did not waver in faith but his faith grew strong and his hope in God abounded yet more and more until perseverance had finished its work causing Job to stand mature complete lacking anything in God. A perfect man to the measure of the statute of the fullness of Christ. Look at the caliber this man Job had attained to. In Ezekiel 14:14 he is mentioned along with Daniel as one who have attained uncompromising righteousness.         how long did it take for Job to become perfected in faith?   The bible does not say, but I did the math:     Job lived for 140 years after his trials. If Job lived for 140 years after his trials, then God also gave Job double the years to live. If God gave him double to live, Job would have been 70 at the time his trials began .This being the case, he would have lived to be 210 years old. Job live a long life. He saw his sons and  his son sons even to 4th generation.   The indication is that God restored back to Job all the years in captivity and also gave him more years to live on both totaling 140 years. We don’t know how many years the captivity was, but it would have been LONG- from a good 40 years to 70 years.   the theme of the book
The theme of the book is not Why does God allow the righteous to suffer? Rather the theme of the book is about how should the righteous face hardship. You are under great trials, how do you handle it? With Patience and hope. The Greek word for patience is "hupomone", which describes the trait of one who is able to abide under the weight of trials and maintain fidelity and hope in God Job kept fidelity and patience in God all during the LONG period of captivity . we  are exhorted to consider the patience of Job and to let patience do its perfect work in us ,For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, works for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

 

 

 

Amen, I will be in prayer about the above, Love always, Walter

Edited September 29, 2019 by Walter and Deborah
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[Worship Warriors]

6 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Amen, I will be in prayer about the above, Love always, Walter

Yes, I have given this matter of Job captivity some thoughts and would be interested to know your thoughts. Scripture says that those who have set their hearts on a pilgrimage to Zion goes forth from strenght to strenght each one appearing before God in Zion.

 That's a long journey to ascend the mountain of the Lord. When Job had an encounter with the whirlwind of God, it would appear to be ,it was just the beginning of his captivity being turned around. In all the previous discourses  , they were all trying to figure out why is job suffering? Why do the righteous suffer. But after this encounter, it is more how should the righteous face sufferings. 

God does not even tell him why he is suffering. These was no need for him to know why. 

[Walter and Deborah]

32 minutes ago, Worship Warriors said:

Yes, I have given this matter of Job captivity some thoughts and would be interested to know your thoughts. Scripture says that those who have set their hearts on a pilgrimage to Zion goes forth from strenght to strenght each one appearing before God in Zion.

 That's a long journey to ascend the mountain of the Lord. When Job had an encounter with the whirlwind of God, it would appear to be ,it was just the beginning of his captivity being turned around. In all the previous discourses  , they were all trying to figure out why is job suffering? Why do the righteous suffer. But after this encounter, it is more how should the righteous face sufferings. 

God does not even tell him why he is suffering. These was no need for him to know why. 

Amen, As I can remember: Off the subject, in Job 1:8 ⁸Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

And what about the above meaning, but what was that conversation about between the Lord and Satan, it seems to me that Satan was trying to do bad to Job.

Satan is always up to no good.

Edited September 29, 2019 by Walter and Deborah
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[Worship Warriors]

4 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Amen, As I can remember: Off the subject, in Job 1:8 ⁸Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."

And what about the above meaning, but what was that conversation about between the Lord and Satan, it seems to me that Satan was trying to do bad to Job.

Satan is always up to no good.

Job was already an upright man. God allowed Satan access to him because He wanted to bring Job to a greater measure of light. The path of the just is as a shining light that shines brighter and brighter unto a perfect day.

God knew what the outcome would be in the end.

But I am still figuring out how long his captivity lasted. May be 70 years, then the Lord restored it back to him and gave him double.i.e 140 years

70 years, in the outskirt of the city, alone with God . What else to do but trust him and seek him for complete healing and remain faithful. That's how his faith became perfected.

Tell me,

we have so many chapters on their discourse trying to figure out why all this is happening to Job. How can you become perfected in this kind of thinking.? They all had some measure of truth but not completely. That's why you cant make a doctrine out of all the discourses.

The turnaround came after his whirlwind encounter. It was then that God become his portion, his strength , his hope in him and him alone. He was in a wilderness place for a long long time like Moses ( 40 years in the wilderness where he learned to know God face to face) .

Consider the patience of Job and the END of the Lord.  I believe that God was taking Job on a pilgrimage to Zion and he had to pass through the valley of weeping to become perfected in faith. The book is more about HOW should the righteous suffer during sufferings . What took place during the LONG LONG wait, the bible is silent. The bible is also silent about Moses 40 years of preparation in the wilderness.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Worship Warriors