Not of works? Really?

[jc49]

I agree with JC49.

Yes, absolutely, works are evidence of salvation, and if someone does not bear fruit, they do not have God.

But you're not going to earn your way into heaven.

Rom. 9:16 says:

"It does not, therefore, depend on man

[nebula]

J. Vernon McGee put it this way:  Faith saves; but faith that saves produces good works.

Today's "Easy Believism" is NOT what the Bible calls faith!  Faith was 'accounted to Abraham for righteousness.'  But look at Romans to see JUST HOW GREAT A FAITH IT TOOK!  That's not just a 'come down to the altar and say the sinners prayer' kind of "faith" folks!

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Agreed.

Faith is not passive.

[Fiosh]

Mornin'.

No one is arguing that you can "earn" your way to salvation.

[Kansasdad]

Mornin'.

No one is arguing that you can "earn" your way to salvation.

[Trust & Obey]

James made it very clear that without works, a person will not be saved.

This is absolutely incorrect. If works could save then both James and Paul would have told us to follow the Law! However, Paul was abundantly clear in the book of Romans that the working out of the Law was insufficient to attain salvation.

The church is not in need of reform at all. It was the Protestant Reformation that recovered salvation by grace in the first place!

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Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

[tsth]

I agree, it was very simple. About as simple as Noah believing what God said, SO he built an ark. Not complicated at all!

God's Word is ALWAYS proved True! It's just where you're standing when that proving happens. Are you standing in the place He told you to stand? Or not?

Luke 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

In His Love,

Suzanne

[apothanein kerdos]

Faith without works is still faith but useless faith. It's saying you have an insurance policy without ever putting money into it.

Does this mean that works save us or have anything to do with gaining faith? No. Tre faith begets true works. In other words, if one holds true faith then the works will flow from the faith and not aid in the faith. Matthew 7:18 talks about how a good tree (true faith) produces good fruit (good works). Works will not aid in faith and are 100% reliant upon faith. If a person begins to lose faith it is evident in his works. If a person's works do not reflect the faith he claims, then he never had the faith to begin with. Works do not solidify faith increase faith, or anything. Faith is an independant agent upon which works rely.

If you believe that faith with works aids in salvation or that we must work to solidify our faith, then God sending Jesus to die on the cross was the most pointless act He's ever done.

Now, Fisher, are you part of the Remnant Fellowship?

[Trinity]

James 2:14

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

This means you if you just sit around the house and you don't work, and then you pray for food you have faith that your going to be fed yet you have no works, you wont be fed!

That has nothing to do with works and salvation! these verse have nothing at all what so ever about Works and Salvation!

[Trinity]

Faith without works is still faith but useless faith. It's saying you have an insurance policy without ever putting money into it.

Does this mean that works save us or have anything to do with gaining faith? No. Tre faith begets true works. In other words, if one holds true faith then the works will flow from the faith and not aid in the faith. Matthew 7:18 talks about how a good tree (true faith) produces good fruit (good works). Works will not aid in faith and are 100% reliant upon faith. If a person begins to lose faith it is evident in his works. If a person's works do not reflect the faith he claims, then he never had the faith to begin with. Works  do not solidify faith increase faith, or anything. Faith is an independant agent upon which works rely.

If you believe that faith with works aids in salvation or that we must work to solidify our faith, then God sending Jesus to die on the cross was the most pointless act He's ever done.

Now, Fisher, are you part of the Remnant Fellowship?

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Amen!

[EricH]

James 2:14

What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

This means you if you just sit around the house and you don't work, and then you pray for food you have faith that your going to be fed yet you have no works, you wont be fed!

That has nothing to do with works and salvation! these verse have nothing at all what so ever about Works and Salvation!

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Except that the question James asks is can a faith without works save a person?