Some questions about Hell?

[Gerioke]

Thanks Gerioke   That's kind of what i was talking about.  If death is a cessation of life then what does the "second death" mean?

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The first death is when we cease to live and wait for judgement day in hell. The second death is the eternal torment in the lake of fire. I personally believe that since good and evil can't exist simultaneously in the same place that only the sinful nature of man will be in the lake of fire. I could be wrong though.

[Guest quadding101]

Hell is probably inside this earth and if u have any idea what it is like there and how hot it is then u know what hell is. But there is more to it than this. First, God is a spirit being and man is made in His image so man is a spirit being trapped inside a body. The body was made for the spirit being, to be inhabited by the spirit being, to be controlled by the spirit being. When our body dies it returns to earth from which it came, but u, a spirit being, will live forever, somewhere. If the story of lazerus is correct and I believe that it is, then we will be given a body that will suffer the torments of hell according to our sin. The rich man was a very moral man but his sin was greed and gluttony and he complained ONLY about his tongue being parched. This is just one of the torments of hell. Jesus said (what have u gained if u gain the world and loose ur soul). We r a spirit being with a heart or soul, (God said of the jews, I will send leaness into their souls). Leaness is the absence of God to whatever degree. Since the heart is where God dwells in us it seems that the heart and the soul is the same thing). Those that go to hell will have their soul or heart taken away and will forever be seperated from God. I hope this gives u a little better understanding.

[Remnantrob]

Once again, thanks to everyone for your responses. They have been quite informative. My next question is that if the last enemy God will destroy is death, then how do we harmonize that with the current belief that the hell in the lake of fire will go on forever and ever? Also, If sinners are being tormented in fire forever, does that still mean that sin exists since its just burning?

[Gerioke]

If sin is disobedience to God and hell is eternal separation from God and evil is absence of God, then that leads me to believe that the lake of fire would be a refining fire.

Can a non christian do good? If so, then what happens to the good that's in that person when he dies? If not, then how does one explain the likes of ghandi teaching things of virtue?

[Remnantrob]

Can a non christian do good?

I'd like to add can any man do good? The answer to that is yes. Even an evil person can do good for those he likes. But that does not make him good. in fact there is no one that is good according to Jesus in Matt. 19:17

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I enjoyed your response though...

[Atalyah]

Gerioke, I'm not a JW They claim not to believe that there is no immortal souls, but I think that they sort of do, considering they're belief of Jesus' body not being raised, and their doctrine of the 144,000. So, they claim not to believe in an immortal soul, but I really don't believe in it at all.

The reason for that is that I just don't see it in the bible. The bible says the soul dies. In fact, the phrase 'immortal soul' is no where to be found at all. The well-known verse of John 3:16 gives two options. Eternal life, or perish. Not, eternal life in heaven, or eternal life in hell.

What I find to be odd is when people try to prove their doctrines starting in a symbolic book like revelation, rather than at the beginning of the bible. The place to start is Genesis, and to work forward.

I don't mean to "hijack" a thread, truly I don't, but death and hell are rather inseperabe. And if Remnantrob is trying to see the reasoning for the different views on hell, than it rather inavoidable to begin there.

So, why don't we take a look at Genesis, at the creation of man.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul..

He became a

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[ColleenLovesMischief]

1. What is hell? and 1b.) who's going there?

Hummmmm

I would define hell as seperation from God. Eternal burning without being consumed.......how do I put this??????? Hell maybe.

As to who is going there.... Anyone who has not chosen Christ as their Savior and Lord, who is able to understand their need for a savior.

I think that about covers it.

[Remnantrob]

Atalyah, I think you've been reading my mind.........or at least the bible for that matter. That's where I was going with all of my (leading) questions, but God used you to put everthing into perspective in one post. I hope everyone reads it and is as blessed by it as I was.

[Atalyah]

Atalyah, I think you've been reading my mind.........or at least the bible for that matter.    That's where I was going with all of my (leading) questions, but God used you to put everthing into perspective in one post.  I hope everyone reads it and is as blessed by it as I was. 

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Super Remnantrob! I'd love to know where else we agree in our theology!

[Remnantrob]

Super Remnantrob!    I'd love to know where else we agree in our theology!

Start a thread and I'll follow.