preciouspearl Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 813 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/03/1987 Share Posted October 11, 2019 the bible says straighforward enough about not walking in the counsel of the ungodly. i was convicted of that....only to fail at it recently because a few christians that i thought should be there for me the most failed me i feel like this non christian friend validated my experience more i do worry and feel crazy that maybe this person in leadership is right and think people really are out to get me. it seems like its a 5 to one ratio than 5 to ten if you get me. but is it a sin if you have a non christian validate your facts and not define your reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preciouspearl Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 813 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/03/1987 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 thank you. its important for me to be a light and testimony but i feel more comfort if someone doesnt tell me things that i just think people are out to get me. or im wrong about some thing i perceive. and then i wonder since they ere christian maybe they are right? today was a day of self condemnation very bad warfare. but im glad i can go to a place to ask about this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted October 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, preciouspearl said: the bible says straighforward enough about not walking in the counsel of the ungodly. i was convicted of that....only to fail at it recently because a few christians that i thought should be there for me the most failed me Sounds similar to a peer oriented Christian self-help group, and when it came right to it, failed me miserably. Just devastating! Hard to pull out of as well, but it had to be done to continue on my walk. Looking back on the nucleus of those in leadership, there were problems that hadn't taken proper perspective enough to notice directly. It was a hurtful experience I never forgot, but did forgive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preciouspearl Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 813 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/03/1987 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: Sounds similar to a peer oriented Christian self-help group, and when it came right to it, failed me miserably. Just devastating! Hard to pull out of as well, but it had to be done to continue on my walk. Looking back on the nucleus of those in leadership, there were problems that hadn't taken proper perspective enough to notice directly. It was a hurtful experience I never forgot, but did forgive. Yeah it hurts. I am trying to forgive by seeing their perspective. A black and white or all or nothing view. I was disappointed because it was specifically a place to help people. First meant for just drugs then opened up for depression and people escaping abuse. It is like they didn't want to invest in me . It's like they chose to remain ignorant and define my reality. They would have loved if I was wrong and then I hear a voice in my head that maybe I am and just crazy then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preciouspearl Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 86 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 813 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/03/1987 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) If anything being there that long I feel like I became stronger where I stood I guess . I don't just mean my faith but processing my stuff and trying to believe myself. But I still struggle with feeling validated by myself especially Edited October 11, 2019 by preciouspearl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.78 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, preciouspearl said: the bible says straighforward enough about not walking in the counsel of the ungodly. i was convicted of that....only to fail at it recently because a few christians that i thought should be there for me the most failed me i feel like this non christian friend validated my experience more i do worry and feel crazy that maybe this person in leadership is right and think people really are out to get me. it seems like its a 5 to one ratio than 5 to ten if you get me. but is it a sin if you have a non christian validate your facts and not define your reality? Taking advice from a nonbeliever is not wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,412 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,833 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 11, 2019 An important thing to keep in mind is that we're all people. Even Christians are going to mess up at times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, preciouspearl said: the bible says straighforward enough about not walking in the counsel of the ungodly. i was convicted of that....only to fail at it recently because a few christians that i thought should be there for me the most failed me i feel like this non christian friend validated my experience more i do worry and feel crazy that maybe this person in leadership is right and think people really are out to get me. it seems like its a 5 to one ratio than 5 to ten if you get me. but is it a sin if you have a non christian validate your facts and not define your reality? Shalom @preciouspearl I have also had bad advice from a Christians and Christian leaders before. We must face the facts, that every professing-Christian is not necessarily Spirit-filled. Some even have poor-intentions and are in sheep's clothing. In fact, like you, sometimes I have had better and more reasonable advice from non-believers. Non-believers can often see the big picture and remember what's important more (love, kindness, peace) over some Christians who get obsessed with the wrong things instead (verses, theology, tradition). The instruction in the Word to not take advice from the ungodly refers to the context of those who are evil, wicked, fear of God or respect for others - but that's not all non-believers. "Wisdom is known by her children" and so sometimes, better advice with come from outside the church (to her shame). Also consider the advice that Moses took from Jethro in Exodus 18:13-27. Whilst Jethro was aware of Yahweh, he neither followed Him or Israel. Nevertheless, the advice he gave to Moses was accepted by him, utilised and NOT refuted by Yahweh thereafter. That said, it is not good to speak to non-believers about certain things. For example, if you suffered with depression or anxiety, it wouldn't be good to speak with non-believers, as it would serve as a poor witness. So keep this in mind. In summary - Do not feel condemnation for speaking to non-believers for advice. But be self-aware that you remain as a witness to them. Love & Shalom Edited October 11, 2019 by Tzephanyahu Thanks lftc! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.96 Reputation: 7,796 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 11, 2019 I see the issues OH so plainly. We have sold out to Freud and Jung and wonder why it goes awry. Stay far away from psycho-heresy. Even Christians just cannot get the connection. Poor roots = poor fruits. It is so very difficult to fight this on one's own. Christians often throw other Christians under the bus. It happens, and in my life most harm has been done to me by other 'believers'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 11, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 957 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,633 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,079 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 hours ago, Abby-Joy said: I don't think it matters that they aren't a believer. It does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts