GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

Hi there!

Of course you are a beautiful saved sister in Christ!  Agreed!

No worries there.....

 

But either we OBEY or DISOBEY....

 

"Righteousness does not come by the law"

So do you OBEY or DISOBEY the law?

 

blessings...

 

Speaking only for myself......I disobey every hour of every day.....just like you do......I know it and admit it and know that I am covered by the Blood.....

For the Blind Guides  That espouse a “ weak” and “ useless” Torah ....If you reject the Grace of God , which is the Biblical Way to get to Heaven, and choose to try to “ justify” yourself with your Delusional Law-Keeping Fantasy ( the Law was given to show you that you can’t keep it..... you need Jesus ) the Standard for your pitiful performance is PERFECTION......how’s “ that” working for you?

I hope Newbies are not mislead by the subtle , Non-Biblical erroneous “ Leaven” of The Modern Judaizers here.......  “ Christ is the END OF THE LAW  ( Torah) for Righteousness.........The True Way to be IMPUTED with the actual Righteous  that will make you fit for Heaven  ( this “ imputed Righteousness is the ONLY Righteousness you will ever know  and it is the ONLY one God cares about) is to REST in the Gospel Of Grace. 1cor15:1-4............Add to it with works of the Torah and you will “ fall from Grace” and be “ severed from the Cross Of Christ”.......Read all about it in Gal. 5.   Is this  what you want ? Follow the Legalists and this is  what you will get......some believe these two scary descriptions pertain to those that are Lost. Why gamble?Pray to God that He show you how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace.....If you refuse that Command Of God, you will be in an even MORE scary state— the State Of UNBELIEF....... now THAT is REAL Scary!   ( Heb 4 )

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Blood Bought 1953

[BibleGuy]

10 hours ago, Behold said:

That's not the Gospel.

 

 

REDEMPTION BY THE BLOOD: Eph.1:7

OBEDIENCE TO TORAH REQUIRED BY CHRIST: Mt.5:19

 

That's BIBLE.

 

[BibleGuy]

10 hours ago, Willa said:

I am not under the law so I don't worry about it.  I walk in the Spirit and I walk in love, which fulfills the law because love does no wrong to his neighbor.  The Spirit urges me to walk according to the Sermon on the Mount which goes beyond the requirements of the law.  I follow Jesus.

Do you walk in the Spirit?  Do you walk according to the Sermon on the Mount?  Do you go beyond the requirements of the law?  There is now no condemnation for those who walk according to the Spirit.

Rom 8:1  NKJV  There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Rom 8:2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

Rom 8:4  that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Rom 8:5  For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who liveaccording to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:6  For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Thanks for your answer....but you didn't fully answer....

I asked if you OBEY or DISOBEY...and you said: "I don't worry about it".

But you SHOULD!

Jesus said: "If you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" (Jn.14:15).

Jesus did not say: "Don't worry about my commands..."

 

So, I guess I need to be more specific!

 

DO YOU KEEP ALL JESUS' COMMANDS?  (Jn.14:15)

 

blessings...

 

PS Yes, I am not under the law of sinful disobedience and death (Rom.8:2), but under the law of righteous obedience (2Ti.3:16;Dt.6:5,25;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15+Mt.5:19) and life (Mt.4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47).

I walk in love which required obedience to Torah (1Jn.5:3;Dt.6:5,25;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19)

I walk according to the Sermon on the Mount which requires all Torah (Mt.5:19).

I do not need to go beyond the requirements of the law....because Jesus IS the very substance of the law (Jn.1:14;Col.2:17)...and that's enough!

I follow Jesus who requires all Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13;41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

I walk in the Spirit who leads us to SERVE (Rom.7:6).  Serve what?  TORAH! (Rom.7:25)

I walk in the Spirit who testifies we should OBEY Torah (Heb.10:15-16).

I walk in the Spirit who leads us to obey all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27).

I walk in the Spirit who affirms we obey Torah "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

I walk in the Spirit given to those who obey God (Ac.5:32) who commands Torah (Dt.1:3;5:27-33)

I walk in the Spirit which is Jesus' words (Jn.6:63) which includes Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13;41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28)

There is no condemnation for us in Christ who walk in the Spirit in obedience to Torah.

I do not walk according to the flesh (Rom.8:1) which disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7); that's why I OBEY Torah.

I do not walk according to the law of sin and death (Rom.8:2), I walk according to the law of righteous obedience (2Ti.3:16;Dt.6:5,25;1Jn.5:3;Jn.14:15+Mt.5:19) and life (Mt.4:4;Dt.8:3;30:15-19;32:47).

I do not walk according to the flesh (Rom.8:4) which disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7).  So I walk in the Spirit which (by contrast) leads us to OBEY Torah!

Living in the flesh is BAD (Rom.8:6) because the flesh DISOBEYS TORAH (Rom.8:7).  So obey Torah in the SPIRIT!

The Spirit opposes the flesh (Rom.8:13); the flesh disobeys the Torah (Rom.8:7); so the Spirit OPPOSES Torah-disobedience; so the Spirit leads us to OBEY Torah!  So OBEY TORAH in the Spirit!

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

10 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

¹⁹ Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

Both are nothing, which are God's commands.

Haha!  Then 1Cor.7:19 is a self-contradiction!

 

That's why you're WRONG.

 

Torah does NOT require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.

The ongoing mark is for INFANTS (Lev.12:3;Ge.17:12), NOT adult-male-Gentile-converts.

 

Try again!

(this is fun!)

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

10 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

Speaking only for myself......I disobey every hour of every day.....just like you do......I know it and admit it and know that I am covered by the Blood.....

For the Blind Guides  That espouse a “ weak” and “ useless” Torah ....If you reject the Grace of God , which is the Biblical Way to get to Heaven, and choose to try to “ justify” yourself with your Delusional Law-Keeping Fantasy ( the Law was given to show you that you can’t keep it..... you need Jesus ) the Standard for your pitiful performance is PERFECTION......how’s “ that” working for you?

I hope Newbies are not mislead by the subtle , Non-Biblical erroneous “ Leaven” of The Modern Judaizers here.......  “ Christ is the END OF THE LAW  ( Torah) for Righteousness.........The True Way to be IMPUTED with the actual Righteous  that will make you fit for Heaven  ( this “ imputed Righteousness is the ONLY Righteousness you will ever know  and it is the ONLY one God cares about) is to REST in the Gospel Of Grace. 1cor15:1-4............Add to it with works of the Torah and you will “ fall from Grace” and be “ severed from the Cross Of Christ”.......Read all about it in Gal. 5.   Is this  what you want ? Follow the Legalists and this is  what you will get......some believe these two scary descriptions pertain to those that are Lost. Why gamble?Pray to God that He show you how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace.....If you refuse that Command Of God, you will be in an even MORE scary state— the State Of UNBELIEF....... now THAT is REAL Scary!   ( Heb 4 )

 

 

 

 

 

"Speaking only for myself......I disobey every hour of every day"

I truly doubt that, BB!

And if that were really true, then 1 Ti.5:20 requires that we PUBLICLY REBUKE YOU (1Ti.5:20).

But I REALLY doubt that you sin every hour of the day....

You're probably just being too hard on yourself.

 

And Torah requires BLAMELESSNESS/PERFECTION (Mt.5:48 citing Dt.18:13), NOT sinlessness.

Torah EXPECTS you to sin!  That's the purpose of the Torah SIN OFFERING (" חַטָּאָת "), to ATONE for the sin.

 

And you CAN obey all Torah (Dt.30:11).  Moses did not lie.

You CAN obey all Torah (Lk.1:6).  Luke did not lie.

You CAN obey all Torah (Mt.5:19).  Jesus said it's easy! (Mt.11:30). 

So OBEY!

 

"For the Blind Guides  That espouse a “ weak” and “ useless” Torah"

Rather, BLIND GUIDES DISOBEY TORAH (Mt.23:23-24), so OBEY!

 

"the Grace of God , which is the Biblical Way to get to Heaven"

And GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34).  HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3;Ex.33:13;Nu.12:3).  BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) means OBEY TORAH!  So OBEY!

After all, ETERNAL LIFE is promised to those who OBEY (Lk.10:25-28).

SO OBEY!

 

"and choose to try to “ justify” yourself with your Delusional Law-Keeping Fantasy"

PAUL said we who do the law will be JUSTIFIED (Rom.2:13).

Paul was NOT "delusional".

 

"the Law was given to show you that you can’t keep it"

You CAN keep the law (1Cor.7:19).  Paul was not joking!

You CAN keep the law (Dt.30:11).  Moses did not lie!

You CAN keep the law (Lk.1:6).  Luke did not lie!

 

" this “ imputed Righteousness is the ONLY Righteousness you will ever know and it is the ONLY one God cares about"

RIGHTEOUSNESS is also something we DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10) who will NOT inherit the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:20).

So DO TORAH-OBEDIENT RIGHTEOUSNESS (2Ti.3:16;Dt.6:5,25).

After all, Jesus APPLIES Dt. 6:5,25 to you (Mt. 22:37).

So OBEY!

 

"you need Jesus"

Jesus requires TORAH (Mt.4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

 

"the Standard for your pitiful performance is PERFECTION......how’s “ that” working for you?"

Jesus says his yoke (Mt.5:19,48) is EASY (Mt.11:30).

So it's easy!

 

"I hope Newbies are not mislead by the subtle , Non-Biblical erroneous “ Leaven” of The Modern Judaizers here....... "

AGREED!  JUDAIZERS tell you to be saved by works without faith.   And that's REALLY bad.

That's why Paul requires TORAH (Rom.2:13) AND FAITH (Rom.5:1) for justification.

NOT law alone (Gal.5:4-5).

NOT faith alone (says Jas.2:24).

But BOTH law AND faith.

Both.

Together.

That's why Paul cites Dt. 30:14 as the very SUBSTANCE of the faith he preaches in Rom.10:8:  TORAH-OBEDIENT FAITH!

 

"Christ is the END OF THE LAW  ( Torah) for Righteousness"

Christ is the PURPOSE/GOAL/AIM of Torah.  (That's what " τέλος " means in Rom.10:4: PURPOSE/GOAL/AIM, not TERMINATION.  Same thing for "τέλος " throughout much of the rest of Scripture).

So Christ is the PURPOSE of Torah.  And Christ points us to OBEY Torah! (Mt.4:4;5:19-20,48;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28).

So OBEY!

After all, just four verses later, Paul tells us that TORAH-OBEDIENCE is the very word of faith Paul preaches (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

SO OBEY!

 

"REST in the Gospel Of Grace. "

And GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34;1Pe.5:5).  And HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).  So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) means OBEY TORAH.

So OBEY!

 

"1cor15:1-4"

RIGHT!  You are saved by the Gospel IF YOU HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREAHCES (1Cor.15:1-4) which is FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

So OBEY and so remain SAVED!

 

"Add to it with works of the Torah and you will “ fall from Grace”"

Obey Torah and prove your LOVE (1Jn.5:3;Dt.6:5,25;Jn.14:15 + Mt.5:19).

Do WORKS and be justified (Jas.2:24).

WALK IN WORKS (Eph.2:10).

And GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34;1Pe.5:5).  And HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).  So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) means OBEY TORAH.

And "fallen from grace" (Gal.5:4-5) refers to those who obey Torah WITHOUT FAITH.

So do both!

OBEY TORAH (Rom.2:13) AND have faith (Rom.5:1).

Walk by faith (2Cor.5:7) AND in works (Eph.2:10).

BOTH.

TOGETHER.

Not law alone (Gal.5:4-5).

Not faith alone (Jas.2:24).

But BOTH.

TOGETHER.

 

"Read all about it in Gal. 5"

Ok!  Let's check it out....

 

1. Gal. 5:1 affirms freedom in Christ. So, Christ (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19) gives us freedom to obey all Torah.

2. Gal. 5:1 opposes slavery (which is observance of pagan rituals, Gal.4:8-10).

3. Gal.5:2 opposes adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (because Torah does not require it...and because it would deny the proper role of faith in Christ).

4. Gal. 5:3 If you want to play the "obey all Torah without faith in Christ" game, then you must obey ALL Torah flawlessly, which nobody does (Rom.3:23). Bad game!

5. Gal. 5:4 We are not justified by law without Christ. Rather, we are justified by law (Rom.2:13)+faith (Rom.5:1) TOGETHER.

6. Gal. 5:5 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21) "from now and forever".

7. Gal. 5:6 affirms that adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision (or uncircumcision) is irrelevant. After all, Pro-Torah Paul knows that Torah does not require it!

8. Gal. 5:7 affirms we should obey truth. TORAH is truth (Ps.119:142).

9. Gal. 5:11 Paul OPPOSES faithless works of circumcision to attain God's favor or blessing in Christ.

10. Gal. 5:13 requires that we SERVE. And Paul models that we should serve TORAH (Rom.7:25).

11. Gal. 5:14 Love fulfills (not replaces!) Torah. After all, Lev. 19:18, in context, requires that we REBUKE sinners (Lev.19:17). So Paul says Torah should REBUKE and CORRECT and TRAIN your behavior (2Ti.3:16).

12. Gal. 5:16 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

13. Gal. 5:16 OPPOSES the flesh. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). So OBEY Torah!

14. Gal. 5:17 requires the SPIRIT against the FLESH. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). The Spirit helps us to STOP DISOBEYING IN THE FLESH (Rom.8:13).

15. Gal. 5:18 affirms the Spirit (who testifies we obey Torah Heb. 10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21).

16. Gal. 5:18 says we are not under the law. "Under the law" refers to being "without faith", given Gal. 3:23. Thus, Paul requires Torah(Rom.2:13) AND faith (Rom.5:1), TOGETHER.

17. Gal. 5:19 confirms the flesh is bad. The flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7). We should NOT be in the flesh (Rom.8:13). So we should OBEY Torah!

18. Gal. 5:22 affirms LOVE. Love requires TORAH (1Jn.5:3;Dt.6:5,25).

19. Gal. 5:22 affirms PEACE. We have great PEACE if we obey TORAH (Ps.119:165).

20. Gal. 5:22 affirms FAITH. Faith is of Torah (Mt.23:23;Ps.119:30,86,138;Dt.32:20).

21. Gal. 5:22 affirms JOY.  Our joy is in TORAH (Ps.119:162).

22. Gal. 5:22 affirms GOODNESS.  Torah is good (Rom.7:12).

23. Gal. 5:24 affirms Christ (who requires all Torah, Mt.5:19).

24. Gal. 5:24 opposes the flesh (which disobeys Torah, Rom.8:7). So STOP disobeying Torah! Obey!

25. Gal. 5:25 affirms the Spirit who testifies we obey Torah (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21).

 

Cool!  Thanks for giving us another 25 reasons to obey Torah!

These are encouraging words.

 

"Follow the Legalists and this is  what you will get"

Do NOT follow the Legalists...because Legalism is BAD.

Legalism is seeking justification/salvation by works WITHOUT FAITH. 

That's bad.

Scripture requires FAITH (Ge.15:6) AND OBEDIENCE (Ge.26:5).

FAITH (Rom.2:13) AND LAW (Jas.2:24).

FAITH AND LAW (Rom.3:27).

FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

FAITH AND LAW (Mt.23:23;Dt.32:20;Ps.119:30,86,138).

FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE (Rom.1:5).

FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE (Rom.16:26).

Faith (2Cor.5:7) and works (Eph.2:10).

BOTH.

TOGETHER.

 

"some believe these two scary descriptions pertain to those that are Lost. Why gamble?"

GREAT point!

Why risk the SCARY consequences of DISOBEYING TORAH? (Mt.5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42).

So OBEY!

 

"Pray to God"

Yes!  And the PSALMS are prayers (Ps.72:20) and Psalms require TORAH (e.g., Ps. 1;19;119) and Psalms are REQUIRED (Eph.5:19;Col.3:16). 

So offer TORAH-OBEDIENT prayers to God!

Otherwise, God won't even hear your prayers (Pr.28:9).  And Paul and Peter uphold the Proverbs too....so Pr.28:9 applies to you too!

 

"He show you how to REST in the Gospel Of Grace"

Excellent.  We are saved by the gospel IF WE HOLD FAST TO THE WORD PAUL PREACHED (1Cor.15:1-4), which is the word of FAITHFUL TORAH-OBEDIENCE (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

And GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34;1Pe.5:5).  And HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).  So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) means OBEY TORAH.

So REST in the Torah-obedient Gospel of Grace.

 

"If you refuse that Command Of God, you will be in an even MORE scary state— the State Of UNBELIEF"

Yikes!

We must therefore BELIEVE (Ge.15:6) and OBEY (Ge.26:5)...just like our father Abraham.

Let's BELIEVE (Jn.3:16) and OBEY (Jn.14:15) all Torah (Mt.5:19), as Jesus requires.

Let's have FAITH as Paul requires (citing " אֱמוּנָה " from Hab.2:4 at Gal.3:11).  And what is this way of " אֱמוּנָה " by which Paul says we must live?  Answer:  TORAH! (see " אֱמוּנָה " in Ps.119:30,86,138 for proof).

 

"now THAT is REAL Scary!   ( Heb 4 )"

True!

Heb. 4:7 tells us to HEAR GOD'S VOICE.  And those who obey God's voice are those who OBEY TORAH (Dt.13:4,18;15:5;26:17;30:20).

Heb. 4:11 tells us to NOT DISOBEY TORAH as happened before.  So OBEY!

Heb. 4:12 upholds the WORD OF GOD which includes TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33). So OBEY!

Heb. 4:14 upholds JESUS who requires all TORAH (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20).  So OBEY!

Heb. 4:16 upholds GRACE.  GRACE is given to the HUMBLE (Jas.4:6;Pr.3:34;1Pe.5:5).  And HUMBLE people obey TORAH (Nu.12:3;Ex.33:13;Ps.25:9;Zep.2:3).  So BE HUMBLE (1Pe.5:6) means OBEY TORAH.

Heb. 4:16 upholds MERCY.  MERCY is given to those who obey TORAH (Ex. 20:6).  So OBEY!

 

Wow...that's another 6 reasons to obey Torah.

These are encouraging words.

Thank you.

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by BibleGuy
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[KJVOnly]

5 hours ago, BibleGuy said:

Haha!  Then 1Cor.7:19 is a self-contradiction!

 

That's why you're WRONG.

 

Torah does NOT require adult-male-Gentile-convert circumcision.

The ongoing mark is for INFANTS (Lev.12:3;Ge.17:12), NOT adult-male-Gentile-converts.

 

Try again!

(this is fun!)

 

blessings...

 

God commanded Paul to tell us both are nothing.

Now you understand.

[douge]

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 9:38 AM, bcbsr said:

As I read it Peter and Paul were preaching the same gospel

Here's Peter's sermon in Acts 10, preaching to a Gentile.

"You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen— by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Same as Paul's gospel. And nothing about a kingdom on earth promised to Israel.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter in Acts 10:43 was preaching Christ according to the prophets; not the same gospel as Paul.

Peter was preaching only the gospel of believing on the name of Jesus, that he is Messiah, Son of God (John 3:18 John 20:31 Acts 4:12).

Paul was preaching Christ according to the mystery and the prophets (Romans 16:25-26).

Paul was preaching the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification (Romans 4:25 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Citing Acts 10 only to show Peter did not preach the kingdom ignores where he does as in Acts 3:19-21 Acts 2:30.

[douge]

21 hours ago, Behold said:

 

Im not sure what you are denominationally , but, you apparently dont read a bible.   I suspect that you are like the other 3 here who are Grace deniers, and all of you are probably obsessed with bible commentaries that have lied to you, misled you, and ruined you both spiritually and theologically...   as that is usually what does it.    Sometimes its the Pastor, Minister, or Pope, but when someone is this far gone, (you) this far removed from the Grace of God and truth....then 9/10, ist going to be a heretics commentaries that have ruined the person.    

You're twisted theologically, and you dont even realize it.   But i do.

You just said that 1 Peter 1:5, is teaching something about the Israeli's and the Davidic Kingdom.....and that is because your bible is dusty, and your commentary that you are using is a pack of lier's lies.

Here is the verse...1 Peter 1:5, KJV:    "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." .

This is justification by faith, that Paul teaches.

Let me explain the verse to you, and for the benefit of boring the real Christians here who can READ A DIMESTORE BIBLE.

1. ) "Kept"".       Do you see that word?       This means SUSTAINING without END.      And its talking about anyone who is born again.   That we are "KEPT....KEPT. KEPT"......by THIS verse...... >Philippians 1:6.<   "God who began your salvation, will Himself be FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT"..

DO YOU COMPREHEND THE WORD "COMPLETE" in that verse?    its means finish it.  It means that we are KEPT......as Peter says.........and then Paul explains why.....>"God will be faithful to complete what is KEPT"......and WHO is that all about?   Thats the born again person's Eternal Life.  Its their entire redemption........And why does is happen this way?.....Why is is kept, and finished by God and not by YOU?    Because Jesus is eternal life.  He is Salvation.. He is Justification and Sanctification....>He is REDEMPTION and GRACE........= Jesus Himself.,<    So, to be Kept  by God who is faithful to complete Salvation for all the born again, is because .: 

1.) we are the righteousness of Christ.......THAT IS WHO WE ARE, IF WE ARE BORN AGAIN.  That is our NEW IDENTITY "in Christ".  "new Creation".

2.) WE ARE IN CHRIST, AND CHRIST IS IN US.    So, the One who Himself is the "resurrection and the Life", and is "eternal life'.....IS IN US......SO, WE ARE IN GOD AND IN CHRIST.  = "KEPT"< !!!

WE ARE ALL ONE.......for ETERNITY.  = "KEPT".

Now, look at this other part of Peter's verse.   "by the power of God".........  Do you see that?   That is the preaching of the Cross, that is the "power of God unto SALVATION".......Which is what Paul preaches in HIS VERSE about the "preaching of THE CROSS."

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So, why dont you know any of this?

WHY !!!

Why doesn't your pastor, pope, minister, bishop, or COMMENTARY, KNOW THIS AND TEACH IT TO YOU?.... instead of ME?

Its because THEY can't teach what THEY dont believe, and THEY can't teach what THEY dont know.

You are lost in the weeds.  You are so far from the Light.... .and not just you, around here.

You need to get away from everything and everyone who has influence you and infected you with their heresy that you teach.

I dont think you will, because i think you are not wanting to know the truth.   You are like the rest. you just want TO HEAR YOURSELF TALK ON A FORUM.

And THAT is a big problem., fella.

 

It is important to not conflate the purpose and gospel messages in scripture as this will lead to error and confusion.

Paul was given revelation from Christ and was not preaching the same gospel as Peter as seen in Galatians 1:12 Galatians 2:7

Jesus and the twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom in which Christ would reign on earth along with believing Israel Matthew 4:23

Paul was preaching the gospel of the grace of God by which all could be justified freely by the redemption in Christ Romans 3:24-26 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

Here are links of more posts of mine

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/differing-gospels/

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/what-is-right-division/

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/my-gospel/

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22 minutes ago, douge said:

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter in Acts 10:43 was preaching Christ according to the prophets; not the same gospel as Paul.

Peter was preaching only the gospel of believing on the name of Jesus, that he is Messiah, Son of God (John 3:18 John 20:31 Acts 4:12).

Paul was preaching Christ according to the mystery and the prophets (Romans 16:25-26).

Paul was preaching the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification (Romans 4:25 1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Citing Acts 10 only to show Peter did not preach the kingdom ignores where he does as in Acts 3:19-21 Acts 2:30.

First of all Peter doesn't use the word "kingdom" in those verses. Secondly concerning your hypothesis that Paul did not preach the kingdom of God, here's what the Bible says of Paul's preaching:

Ac 28:31  Boldly and without hindrance he preached the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ro 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
1Co 4:20  For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
1Co 6:9  Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1Co 6:10  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 15:24  Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
1Co 15:50  I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Ga 5:21  and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 2:2  in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Eph 5:5  For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person— such a man is an idolater— has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Col 1:12  giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:13  For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 4:11  Jesus, who is called Justus, also sends greetings. These are the only Jews among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have proved a comfort to me.
1Th 2:12  encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.
2Th 1:5  All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.
2Ti 4:1  In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge:
2Ti 4:18  The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 

Apparently Peter and Paul preached the same thing.

You were saying?

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Just now, douge said:

It is important to not conflate the purpose and gospel messages in scripture as this will lead to error and confusion.

Paul was given revelation from Christ and was not preaching the same gospel as Peter as seen in Galatians 1:12 Galatians 2:7

Jesus and the twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom in which Christ would reign on earth along with believing Israel Matthew 4:23

Paul was preaching the gospel of the grace of God by which all could be justified freely by the redemption in Christ Romans 3:24-26 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

Here are links of more posts of mine

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/differing-gospels/

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/what-is-right-division/

https://3169.createaforum.com/study-to-shew-thyself-approved/my-gospel/

Well let's see about that. Paul says, "Even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" Gal 1:8 and 
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—" Gal 1:6

You're claiming that the gospel of Jesus and of Peter was a different gospel. Thus you're saying that Paul was condemning Jesus and the other apostles? Yeh right! Try again.