Jostler Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 hours ago, grahampaul said: But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.”kjv. romans 10 v18.any thoughts on the world has heard his Word?. I'm right there with you. We can try to judge God as unjust, hateful and mean all we wish.....and use that to overthrow what He said. But wow....i don't wish to be found in that camp. HE is God, HE has every right to determine how we will approach Him and be received. He gave His Son for our sakes and proclaimed there IS no other way to Him.....Jesus IS the Way HE says that He left enough evidence of His existence for ALL to see, in what He created...none who have lived have missed the opportunity to observe that....and be inspired to seek Him. He promised ANY one who would seek Him with all their heart, that He WOULD reveal Himself to them. If they fail to do that, they are without excuse. No matter how we protest that His ways are unrighteous, unfair....whatever. Quote Rom 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, Quote Psa 19:1 ¶ To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language Where their voice is not heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2020 22 hours ago, Amigo42 said: Do you all think people who were good people in life and lived up the knowledge of God they had will be heaven even if they didn't explicitly accept Jesus? For example, Muslims, Hindus, etc. Of course, I believe that all people must have Jesus, but others believe that God will give some sort of second chance. People are either a believer or an unbeliever, there is no inbetween. The person that hears the gospel, but rejects it; is still under God's wrath. The person that has not heard the gospel is equally under God's wrath. The bible tells us that God has revealed himself and the knowledge of right and wrong to ALL mankind, which makes them without excuse before Him. Every person on earth, whether they have heard the gospel or not, is directly accountable to God, being without excuse. They know that there is a God, whether they admit it or not. They are sinners who have rebelled against God. In spite of God revealing himself to all peoples they are nevertheless under sin and are under the curse of the law, which is eternal death. No one in all the world is innocent, Neither is anyone found to be righteous before God. Romans 1 : 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, Notice in the above verse that it does NOT say sinners will get a second chance after they die an earthly death. Nowhere in scripture is the mention of venial sins, mortal sins, etc. It says that the person that has sinned will perish ! Simply put, a person without the gospel is going to parish. If they die without Christ, they have no other recourse but to pay the penalty in hell forever. Like it or not, that is the reality. And the reason Jesus came and died on the cross for all peoples. Believer's are to share the gospel with those they come into contact with. As for governments that suppress the gospel; God is fully able to send believers in those areas of the world to share the gospel. But really, we don't have to go on a mission to other countries, there are countless people, right where we live and work that are in need of hearing the gospel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 29, 2020 14 hours ago, other one said: and those who have never heard of him??? Worry not over that . FOR IF GOD drew me , one of the worst to faith in Christ , they will have had a chance to hear . ONLY GOD can draw us . So worry not over scenarios . But I do have a good answer to this . GO YE and preach the gospel to those who have not heard . Let us focus ONLY on the dire need to get the gospel out to folks . Even JESUS said , HE would not return till the gospel had been preached to all nations . So , GOD being GOD knows how to get the gospel out to all . Instead of us focusing on what ifs , let us just focus on helping by prayer , or money , those who do true gospel witnessing , and we ourselves simply letting the light of Christ shine and telling folks about Christ . I don't worry or ponder over scenarios . God is in control , and the JUDGE . Let us simply put the entire all out focus on , REACHING the lost and Building up one another in the faith the lovely sayings of JESUS and all things the apostels also wrote . its that simple for me . Live with the mindset , How shall they hear , lest a preacher be sent . IN other words see the gospel as the total summation of all hope and how dire necessary it is for all that draws breath to hear and receive it . Get that mindset , and let the scenarios fade away . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Margo1945 said: .. no one will be in Heaven unless they believe in accept the Christian Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour .. the Son of God and God the Son - second Person of the triune Being of the One True God That would be part of our repentance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 29, 2020 11 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Very True..........but nobody ever does these things.....not even CLOSE! And this is why God found fault with them . God desires us to worship HIM with all the heart mind soul and one another as our selves . ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST can this be done . SO the total solution is , BRING THEM TO CHRIST, be by the SPIRIT fellow helpers to the truth . God is SPIRIT and desires worship in SPIRIT and in TRUTH . AND MADE the way IN JESUS for this to be done . ITS THE NEW AND LIVING WAY , the new covenant . AND IN JESUS it is possible to worship GOD as HE DESIRES . You do a good job of pointing to how weak man is , But tis time to POINT to the power of CHRIST who can and by HIM we can do the things that please GOD . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) For the FRUIT of the SPIRIT is in all goodness , righteousness and truth , PROVING what is acceptable to GOD . Follow the Spirit and not the flesh . For if we walk after the Spirit we would not fulfill the lusts of the flesh . For if we are HIS we have the SPIRIT . If any man has not the SPIRIT of CHRIST they are not His . And if we have the Spirit then HE is working in us that which is WELL PLEASING TO GOD . POINT to the power of Christ . For by him we can do all things through HE who strengthens us . In this generation I often hear many words , yet I see not the POWER O GOD at work nor talked about . And if one errs we follow the original pattern in all things . And we confess our faults , for HE is faithful and just to forgive us , IF , let me write it as JOHN DID , IF we CONFESS our faults HE is faithful and just to forgive us . Confess and forsake those sins if any does err . Edited January 29, 2020 by frienduff thaylorde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.32 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: That would be part of our repentance. Geuine repentance , Which COMES FROM GOD , A GIFT, ENTAILS OUR COMING TO CHRIST , TO FAITH IN HIM . yep . for ye are saved by Grace , drawn to Christ to faith in Him , and by our faith in Him we have continued access into the grace of God . which works in us the things well pleasing to God . the new and glorious and living covenant found only in Christ . By which the Grace of God now teaches all who believe to deny all ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living soberly , righteously and godly in this present world as we with great hope await HIS coming . It is not only time , but it is high time to remind all of the power of the risen savoir , our hope and our redeemer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amigo42 Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 266 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/14/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 hours ago, appy said: The person that has not heard the gospel is equally under God's wrath. So, what will be the punishment for those who genuinely never heard the gospel or never had a chance to hear? Eternal flame? Eternal death? Second chance purgatory? I personally do not believe in literal eternal hell fire. I believe as the Bible says that hell will produce eternal destruction of sin and then hell itself will be cast into hell. No sin or sinners will be left in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said: Geuine repentance , Which COMES FROM GOD , A GIFT, ENTAILS OUR COMING TO CHRIST , TO FAITH IN HIM . yep . for ye are saved by Grace , drawn to Christ to faith in Him , and by our faith in Him we have continued access into the grace of God . which works in us the things well pleasing to God . the new and glorious and living covenant found only in Christ . By which the Grace of God now teaches all who believe to deny all ungodliness and wordly lusts and to be living soberly , righteously and godly in this present world as we with great hope await HIS coming . It is not only time , but it is high time to remind all of the power of the risen savoir , our hope and our redeemer . Repentance means we stop sinning. Of course, we need God's guidance to accomplish that, I believe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted January 29, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.87 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: Jesus commanded us to repent and be perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect, so I suspect you are wrong. How’s that “Perfection” thing working for you.....how’s your “ thought life?”........How about those “ Sins Of Omission”—- fed and clothed and housed any strangers lately?” Please, no fibbing.....you are talking to fellow human- beings here.We KNOW that ALL OF US have Secret Thoughts That would shame Hell .....you are NOT dealing with a bunch of blind fools here..... Edited January 29, 2020 by Blood Bought 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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