johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said: And for dead Christians, what is their Heaven? Life is eternal. I believe we pass onto the resurrection when we die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.62 Reputation: 27,832 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: I was asked, "Did the Lord make his presence known to you in a way that is not supernatural?" I can't answer that question because different people define the word "supernatural" in different ways. We have presented two definitions of the word in this thread. The Lord made his presence known to me through his Holy Spirit. I think that should answer the question. Most of us would say that is supernaturally.....it is'nt naturally,it isn't unnatural...it is"better than" natural,superlative,excellent,superior-above natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: Life is eternal. I believe we pass onto the resurrection when we die. Do you have any other comments for what I shared? It is NOT possible to love God and neighbor fully this side of the Rapture. We will be completed/changed/transformed to go to a utopia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: Do you have any other comments for what I shared? It is NOT possible to love God and neighbor fully this side of the Rapture. We will be completed/changed/transformed to go to a utopia. When Jesus told us to love God and neighbor fully, he didn't tell us to wait till after the Rapture. Who told you that he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: When Jesus told us to love God and neighbor fully, he didn't tell us to wait till after the Rapture. Who told you that he did? His commands are valid, our ability to be morally perfect, biblically, is invalid. Do you have a home and your homeless neighbor has none? Clothes? Food? Why are you not naked and homeless? Do you not love your neighbor "fully" as you wrote? The standard for Heaven isn't "love" it is sinless perfection. And are you claiming you are sinless now, on Earth, or later, in Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: His commands are valid, our ability to be morally perfect, biblically, is invalid. Do you have a home and your homeless neighbor has none? Clothes? Food? Why are you not naked and homeless? Do you not love your neighbor "fully" as you wrote? The standard for Heaven isn't "love" it is sinless perfection. And are you claiming you are sinless now, on Earth, or later, in Heaven? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV Edited March 26, 2020 by johnthebaptist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: To me, "supernatural" refers to ghosts and goblins. The Lord is very real. Ghosts and goblins are not. So, using my definition of the word "supernatural," I would say he made his presence known to me in a way that is not supernatural. You've heard of the "Holy Ghost"? So, when we are talking about God, who exists outside of time, and outside of our Natural Realm,... then we are talking about "extra" or "above" the natural law, which would be "super"....in that context. A miracle, is God setting aside the natural realm, and the natural law, and stepping into the situation "super" naturally. Another way to think of the setting aside of the Natural realml is to "Supersede" it by a Higher Power and authority. So, if God , as you say ..."made HIS Presence" known to you, then God, who is not a part of our natural realm, certainly did something for you that is "super" natural. Ok then. Edited March 26, 2020 by Behold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV Okay, how and when do I become perfect? I'll go first: 1) I know I'm not perfect 2) I trust Christ to perfect me in the future 3) He perfects me in the future, as prophesied, at the Rapture You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said: To me, "supernatural" refers to ghosts and goblins. 49 minutes ago, Behold said: You've heard of the "Holy Ghost"? Yes, exactly. There's nothing "spooky" concerning our Lord, who is indeed Spirit. And being so, meaning not of this natural realm of earth, even though He created all things. The words, "Holy Ghost" are King James terminology and I'm not reluctant to use then. And outside of the natural realm would be considered supernatural. The occultists and other assorted spiritualists merely counterfeited and/or stole the term from modern day Christianity. Good point, bro. Edited March 26, 2020 by BeauJangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 26, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: Okay, how and when do I become perfect? I'll go first: 1) I know I'm not perfect 2) I trust Christ to perfect me in the future 3) He perfects me in the future, as prophesied, at the Rapture You? Jesus doesn't make you perfect - he shows you how. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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