How can you have assurance of salvation ?

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said:

And for dead Christians, what is their Heaven?

Life is eternal. I believe we pass onto the resurrection when we die.

[kwikphilly]

40 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I was asked, "Did the Lord make his presence known to you in a way that is not supernatural?" I can't answer that question because different people define the word "supernatural" in different ways. We have presented two definitions of the word in this thread. The Lord made his presence known to me through his Holy Spirit. I think that should answer the question.

Most of us would say that is supernaturally.....it is'nt naturally,it isn't unnatural...it is"better than" natural,superlative,excellent,superior-above natural

[Billiards Ball]

19 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Life is eternal. I believe we pass onto the resurrection when we die.

Do you have any other comments for what I shared? It is NOT possible to love God and neighbor fully this side of the Rapture. We will be completed/changed/transformed to go to a utopia.

[johnthebaptist]

32 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Do you have any other comments for what I shared? It is NOT possible to love God and neighbor fully this side of the Rapture. We will be completed/changed/transformed to go to a utopia.

When Jesus told us to love God and neighbor fully, he didn't tell us to wait till after the Rapture. Who told you that he did?

[Billiards Ball]

50 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

When Jesus told us to love God and neighbor fully, he didn't tell us to wait till after the Rapture. Who told you that he did?

His commands are valid, our ability to be morally perfect, biblically, is invalid.

Do you have a home and your homeless neighbor has none? Clothes? Food? Why are you not naked and homeless? Do you not love your neighbor "fully" as you wrote?

The standard for Heaven isn't "love" it is sinless perfection.

And are you claiming you are sinless now, on Earth, or later, in Heaven?

[johnthebaptist]

4 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

His commands are valid, our ability to be morally perfect, biblically, is invalid.

Do you have a home and your homeless neighbor has none? Clothes? Food? Why are you not naked and homeless? Do you not love your neighbor "fully" as you wrote?

The standard for Heaven isn't "love" it is sinless perfection.

And are you claiming you are sinless now, on Earth, or later, in Heaven?

You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV

Edited March 26, 2020 by johnthebaptist

[Behold]

2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

To me, "supernatural" refers to ghosts and goblins. The Lord is very real. Ghosts and goblins are not. So, using my definition of the word "supernatural," I would say he made his presence known to me in a way that is not supernatural.

You've heard of the "Holy Ghost"?

So, when we are talking about God, who exists outside of time, and outside of our Natural Realm,... then  we are talking about "extra" or "above" the natural law, which would be "super"....in that context.

A miracle, is God setting aside the natural realm, and the natural law, and stepping into the situation "super" naturally.

Another way to think of the setting aside of the Natural realml is to "Supersede" it by a Higher Power and authority.

So, if God , as you say ..."made HIS Presence" known to you, then God, who is not a part of our natural realm, certainly did something for you that is "super" natural.

Ok then.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Behold

[Billiards Ball]

30 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV

Okay, how and when do I become perfect? I'll go first:

1) I know I'm not perfect

2) I trust Christ to perfect me in the future

3) He perfects me in the future, as prophesied, at the Rapture

You?

[BeauJangles]

  3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

To me, "supernatural" refers to ghosts and goblins. 

49 minutes ago, Behold said:

You've heard of the "Holy Ghost"?

Yes, exactly. There's nothing "spooky" concerning our Lord, who is indeed Spirit. And being so, meaning not of this natural realm of earth, even though He created all things. The words, "Holy Ghost" are King James terminology and I'm not reluctant to use then. And outside of the natural realm would be considered supernatural. The occultists and other assorted spiritualists merely counterfeited and/or stole the term from modern day Christianity. Good point, bro. 

Edited March 26, 2020 by BeauJangles

[johnthebaptist]

53 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Okay, how and when do I become perfect? I'll go first:

1) I know I'm not perfect

2) I trust Christ to perfect me in the future

3) He perfects me in the future, as prophesied, at the Rapture

You?

Jesus doesn't make you perfect - he shows you how.