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6 hours ago, Yishai said:

The only rapture ive seen so far in scripture is when The Messiah returns, and The dead in Messiah will be ressurected, and then the 1000 years on earth begins..

to my knowledge the teaching of Rapture to save people from tribulation is a catholic myth?

Rev 20:6 blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death have no power over them but they will be priest of God and of Christ and will rule with him 1000 years.

Rev 2:11 Jesus said he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.to the one who overcomes will not be hurt of the second death. 

I have often wondered what the book of life is doing there at the second death. ? There is no need for it if they were all unbelievers. And why did Daniel said MANY will rise at the resurrection. He did not say All will rise ,some to everlasting life, others to everlasting contempt.  And what will happen to the saints that don't overcome , revelation 2:11 ?

I am striving to be part of the 1st resurrection like the testament saints of old. They were all wanting for a better resurrection.  By faith they suffered torture not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection.

Paul also said he was striving for an out of resurrection from the dead. He wanted to be part of the 1st resurrection.

 

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24 minutes ago, Worship Warriors said:

Rev 20:6 blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death have no power over them but they will be priest of God and of Christ and will rule with him 1000 years.

Rev 2:11 Jesus said he that has an ear let him hear what the spirit says to the churches.to the one who overcomes will not be hurt of the second death. 

I have often wondered what the book of life is doing there at the second death. ? There is no need for it if they were all unbelievers. And why did Daniel said MANY will rise at the resurrection. He did not say All will rise ,some to everlasting life, others to everlasting contempt.  And what will happen to the saints that don't overcome , revelation 2:11 ?

I am striving to be part of the 1st resurrection like the testament saints of old. They were all wanting for a better resurrection.  By faith they suffered torture not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection.

Paul also said he was striving for an out of resurrection from the dead. He wanted to be part of the 1st resurrection.

 

Amen... this belief of a human dies and goes to the kingdom immediately then they get resurrected? Whaat? Lol nahhh... as The Word says we all get resurrected when He returns. Hence the AWESOME gift of eternal life right?

Bc we will actually be dead!! if we die b4 that day...in a state of repose and comfort if saved..then resurrected!!!

just as He was!

Then after the 1k years, the ones whos name was not found will be resurrected, and them and Satan, and death, and Sheol its self will be thrown into Gehenna(2nd death), in most translations sheol and gehenna was both translated as hell, wrongly so.

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7 hours ago, Yishai said:

It would be nice, but also there is nothing scriptural about going to the Kingdom of Heaven as soon as we leave the Body, which would also be nice, and Id love to agree with, but both teachings are just un-scriptural. 

Hi are you saying that you do not accept that  immediately upon death, the soul of the believer is absent from the body, and present with the Lord?

 


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24 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi are you saying that you do not accept that  immediately upon death, the soul of the believer is absent from the body, and present with the Lord?

 

100% agree with that sciptrure brother, as David said to the effect of "if I make my bed in Sheol He will be with me" and as Lazar was "Comforted in Abrahams bosom" coincides with what Isaiah said about being in a state of "repose"..

Im actually saying people believe death is just simply leaving the flesh and jumping from one life to another..and im saying no, thats not death thats still life. Death is truly dieing! Aka Going to Sheol(abode of the dead), that ive come to understand is made up of 2 compartments. Righteous and un righteous, separated by a great gulf. 

People believe our Messiah went to Hell! No..he went To Sheol(abode of the dead) as all the dead do(thats real death), Gehenna is the lake of fire, that haSatan will be thrown into on that day...

But no, no scriptures say we will inherit the Kingdom as soon as we Die(sheol) it says we will be resurrected(gift of eternal life) when HE returns, and then 1000k years of peace on earth,evil once more, judgement day, heaven and earth pass away, THEN we inherit the Kingdom ...

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