What is a Seer?

[Hindsfeet]

God....Satan

Christ.....AntiChrist

Seer.......Mystic

The Enemy is a copycat.

You cant have a fake dollar bill if you dont have an original first.

 

[iamlamad]

11 minutes ago, Hindsfeet77 said:

God....Satan

Christ.....AntiChrist

Seer.......Mystic

The Enemy is a copycat.

You cant have a fake dollar bill if you dont have an original first.

 

Ha ha! Good! 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Heart2Soul said:

A modern term used today is messenger....which also lines up with scripture.

I have 1 question: occult mysticism is real...a form of witchcraft...powered by a spirit of divination, spirit of deception,  spirit of seduction. 

Would our ABBA, FATHER leave the powers of darkness alone to do it's work without having His Powers operating to defeat them?

A prophet is subject to a prophet...sometimes only a prophet can recognize a false prophet....false prophets are very religious and use the Word prolifically....it is recognizing the subtle twists and changes that is missed....there are false prophets that are easily identified....it is the ones who are deceived in their own heart that we must guard against.

These could be people you know and consider to be righteous men/women of God. You trust them without testing what they say.

That is why we test every prophesy to know what spirit is operating. 

Some prophets of today do a GREAT job of "seeing," but then try to prophecy money from the listener's pockets to their pockets. They begin SEEING people give hundreds or thousands. Only a false prophet tries to use his gift for financial gain. 

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, Heart2Soul said:

This is exactly what God is doing...Awakening those who have fallen asleep and stirring up the gifts again.

The apostasy is already on the face of the earth and God is pouring out His Spirit upon All flesh and bringing believers into the unity of one faith....He is pouring out His Fire and Glory anointing of His Spirit and as it was on Pentecost so will it be today.

He is perfecting His saints and equipping them and preparing them to gather the harvest.

Right on! Now if the masses in the church would quit skipping over Acts 1 and 2.....

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, Paul James said:

There is no such thing as a "seer" in the New Testament,  This is New Age occult mysticism.

Yes, there is, but the New Testament calls them prophets; NOT just someone who prophesies, but someone in the OFFICE of the prophet. 

[Paul James]

6 hours ago, Heart2Soul said:

A modern term used today is messenger....which also lines up with scripture.

I have 1 question: occult mysticism is real...a form of witchcraft...powered by a spirit of divination, spirit of deception,  spirit of seduction. 

Would our ABBA, FATHER leave the powers of darkness alone to do it's work without having His Powers operating to defeat them?

A prophet is subject to a prophet...sometimes only a prophet can recognize a false prophet....false prophets are very religious and use the Word prolifically....it is recognizing the subtle twists and changes that is missed....there are false prophets that are easily identified....it is the ones who are deceived in their own heart that we must guard against.

These could be people you know and consider to be righteous men/women of God. You trust them without testing what they say.

That is why we test every prophesy to know what spirit is operating. 

We are dealing with a supernatural enemy who can mimic everything and everyone to the point where many can be, and are deceived.  I think we have to be extra careful and vigilant about anything to do with the prophetic.  The thing about a counterfeit is that it is so very close to the genuine that it is easy to be fooled.   It is not only happening in Christian circles, but Youtube is full of scam-baiting sites that show how widespread internet scamming is and that hundreds of thousands of dollars is being scammed out of unwary people in the US and the UK.  These scammers come across as genuine Microsoft technicians willing to fix problems in our computers, and have very "kosher" looking websites to fool people.

One of the worst "Christian" scams is the devil appearing in the form of Jesus, or angels, telling the victim that they are someone special and God has a special revelation for them that is not disclosed to "ordinary" Christians.   The truth is that Jesus never appears in person to anyone.  It is always the devil in disguise, but the appearance is so convincing that people really think they have had a visitation from Jesus Himself.  the real Jesus is in heaven at the throne of God and will not appear in person until He comes again.

Another  "Christian" scam is people visiting heaven, either through a near death experience or in a vision.  If the details of each are studied, we see that they are contradictory, which give an important clue that it is fake.   The fact is, that when a person goes to heaven, they never come back.   Also, Paul describes a person going to the third heaven, but was not permitted to disclose what he saw and heard.  Yet these ones who have purported to have visited heaven, go all around describing what they saw, and they make a living out of it through people's curiosity.   All these visitations are the devil's scams to make the person think they are special and are better than others.    Of course, the devil can produce facsimiles of one's loved ones and friends, because he knows all about them.

This is the same as a seance scam where the medium produces the voice of a loved one who has died and is communicating "from the other side".  The devil knows how to do that, producing the actual voice of the loved one and many details that are true, because the devil knows about them already.

So, in the same vein, we have "prophets" going around advertising themselves as "seers", able to predict all sorts of things about people, and exposing sin, which both God and the devil know about, but the difference is that God has forgiven and forgotten the sins, while the devil brings them up again to sow doubt, confusion and condemnation.

[Paul James]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Yes, there is, but the New Testament calls them prophets; NOT just someone who prophesies, but someone in the OFFICE of the prophet. 

There is no such office as the Prophet in the New Testament.  The Prophet in the New Testament is one of the five fold ministries;  but because of the many divisions in the body of Christ, and that the New Testament Prophet has to be recognised by the whole body of Christ, that ministry is impossible in these days.  So anyone purporting to have the office of Prophet, going around giving prophecies "to the nation" and for the church is a fake, and his prophecies are dreamed up in his own head.

[Heart2Soul]

25 minutes ago, Paul James said:

We are dealing with a supernatural enemy who can mimic everything and everyone to the point where many can be, and are deceived.  I think we have to be extra careful and vigilant about anything to do with the prophetic.  The thing about a counterfeit is that it is so very close to the genuine that it is easy to be fooled.   It is not only happening in Christian circles, but Youtube is full of scam-baiting sites that show how widespread internet scamming is and that hundreds of thousands of dollars is being scammed out of unwary people in the US and the UK.  These scammers come across as genuine Microsoft technicians willing to fix problems in our computers, and have very "kosher" looking websites to fool people.

One of the worst "Christian" scams is the devil appearing in the form of Jesus, or angels, telling the victim that they are someone special and God has a special revelation for them that is not disclosed to "ordinary" Christians.   The truth is that Jesus never appears in person to anyone.  It is always the devil in disguise, but the appearance is so convincing that people really think they have had a visitation from Jesus Himself.  the real Jesus is in heaven at the throne of God and will not appear in person until He comes again.

Another  "Christian" scam is people visiting heaven, either through a near death experience or in a vision.  If the details of each are studied, we see that they are contradictory, which give an important clue that it is fake.   The fact is, that when a person goes to heaven, they never come back.   Also, Paul describes a person going to the third heaven, but was not permitted to disclose what he saw and heard.  Yet these ones who have purported to have visited heaven, go all around describing what they saw, and they make a living out of it through people's curiosity.   All these visitations are the devil's scams to make the person think they are special and are better than others.    Of course, the devil can produce facsimiles of one's loved ones and friends, because he knows all about them.

This is the same as a seance scam where the medium produces the voice of a loved one who has died and is communicating "from the other side".  The devil knows how to do that, producing the actual voice of the loved one and many details that are true, because the devil knows about them already.

So, in the same vein, we have "prophets" going around advertising themselves as "seers", able to predict all sorts of things about people, and exposing sin, which both God and the devil know about, but the difference is that God has forgiven and forgotten the sins, while the devil brings them up again to sow doubt, confusion and condemnation.

All of those points are valid and confirm why Christian's must test the spirit to know.

We have a powerful written Word of God...inspired by the Holy Spirit which we study and learn from and ironically nearly the entire book is prophesy....Revelation is a prophetic vision. And yet many want to claim prophesy/visions are not for today. IMHO if the Word of God still being taught, it is still for today.

Prophesy not yet fulfilled indicates it is still around.

The Holy Spirit is still moving and manifesting through God's vessels.

God doesn't limit us to what we can do by His Spirit....We limit Him.

Edited May 8, 2020 by Heart2Soul
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[Paul James]

4 hours ago, Heart2Soul said:

All of those points are valid and confirm why Christian's must test the spirit to know.

We have a powerful written Word of God...inspired by the Holy Spirit which we study and learn from and ironically nearly the entire book is prophesy....Revelation is a prophetic vision. And yet many want to claim prophesy/visions are not for today. IMHO if the Word of God still being taught, it is still for today.

Prophesy not yet fulfilled indicates it is still around.

The Holy Spirit is still moving and manifesting through God's vessels.

God doesn't limit us to what we can do by His Spirit....We limit Him.

The first recorded people who made 'the light' of the Holy Spirit above the written Scriptures were the Quakers (Society of Friends).  So, depending on the "inner light" of the Spirit is not new.

I have been "reading" the Puritan divine John Owen on my iPad's very British verbal dictation software.  Great for listening last thing at night.   He said something very interesting that I had not seen before.  He said that the written Scriptures are infallible, but our faith is fallible.   I have just started to listen to what he says about the Holy Spirit, and he doesn't encourage people getting "new revelation" that is not already revealed in the Scriptures.  I am looking forward to hearing more of what he says about it.

[Justin Adams]

Jeremiah 23:
17 They keep saying to those who despise Me, ‘The LORD says that you will have peace,’ and to everyone who walks in the stubbornness of his own heart, ‘No harm will come to you.’ 18 But which of them has stood in the council of the LORD to see and hear His word? Who has given heed to His word and obeyed it?

Unfortunately NAR seems to be a 'new' take on the five ministries. I find them questionable sometimes.

If you have studied "the Divine Council" and have a Deut 32 worldview, there is less chance you might be taken in by charlatans.

One perhaps needs to understand the territorial spirits that God put over the nations after the Babel disobedience when He divorced the nations and chose for Himself a nation - Israel. These lesser sons of God performed dismally and He indicted them in Psalm 82. "..you will die like men."

There is much going on in the supernatural that few seem to be aware of. The Cross removed their mandate over the nations and the Pentecost outpouring sought to bring the nations back to God. There is opposition from these ex-sons of The Most High and they will not give up without a fight. Yeshua/Jesus and His Spirit is about equipping God's Holy Ones (the believers) to take back that which was lost for the Lord's Glory. It is a fight in the heavenlies and we need to understand what was meant by, "He disarmed the principalities and powers" etc., and "we wrestle not against flesh.."

Although the battle is in the heavenlies, in us as individuals it is often in our minds too. We might need to get over ourselves and what we think we know and LISTEN to the Lord Most High.

Sure, beware false prophets and teachers, but do not be afraid of the GIFTS just because evil has infiltrated our beliefs and sought to turn people away from spiritual gifts. The evil that wants to thwart us knows well the idea, "if you cannot beat them then join them".

Edited May 8, 2020 by Justin Adams