*Zion* Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted April 18, 2020 And you put the burden of convincing you otherwise because....? You won't even listen to what we say so what's the point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: I haven't see an argument that leads me to believe Paul was always right about everything. Only Jesus was always right about everything. I'm convinced you do like arguments.... Quote And you put the burden of convincing you otherwise because....? You won't even listen to what we say so what's the point? *Zion* I rest my case! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,428 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: I haven't see an argument that leads me to believe Paul was always right about everything. Only Jesus was always right about everything. This is good enough for me. The question is. Do you believe Paul testimony?. If Paul was called by God, then we are to be humble and show enough respect for whom was appointed by God to spread the gospel. Do you believer this or did Paul made this up ?. Galatians 1 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC) 1 Paul, an apostle—[special messenger appointed and commissioned and sent out] not from [any body of] men nor by or through [a]any man, but by and through Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and God the Father, Who raised Him from among the dead— 11 For I want you to know, brethren, that the Gospel which was proclaimed and made known by me is not man’s gospel [a human invention, according to or patterned after any human standard]. 12 For indeed I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but [it came to me] through a [direct] revelation [given] by Jesus Christ (the Messiah). Edited April 18, 2020 by warrior12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, kwikphilly said: I'm convinced you do like arguments.... I rest my case! Not a very good case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, warrior12 said: This is good enough for me. The question is. Do you believe Paul testimony?. If Paul was called by God, then we are to be humble and show enough respect for whom was appointed by God to spread the gospel. Do you believer this or did Paul made this up ?. Paul Called by God 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. We are all called by God. Which one of us is perfect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) This topic can be confusing. It seems to me that what is important is that we understand that the 'scriptures' that God has preserved for us are all for our instruction and edification. They are special revelation that reveal for us much about God and about His plans for His creation. God has orchestrated things so that the Holy Spirit (Paraclete) within us and the scriptures that were inspired and managed by God for us witness to one another. The Spirit within witnesses to what was constructed without. This is a very real and vital thing. The scriptures speak to us in a spiritual communication--there is an exchange of information. Again, this is a very concrete thing. Perhaps understanding something in the earthly realm will help. Communication requires a sender and a receiver. Radio is an example. The information sent needs a receiver that is capable of understanding what is 'sent'. In the case of radio, there is a 'modality' at each end. In the spiritual realm, it is much the same. The scriptures communicate 'Truth' that ultimately speak of Christ and the Holy Spirit within us both receives and facilitates that spiritually alive message in such a way that we understand--there is more going on in terms of how the 'Life' --'Living Waters'---is vital beyond our brains comprehension, but the basic function can be appreciated based on this illustration. Another bit that might help is our physical eyes and ears. They are constructed to facilitate sound and light and our brains interpret those things. The Spirit does just this. To edit in: I just remembered a lesson the Lord taught me when I was first saved. I played guitar and he pointed out to me that tuning the instrument is making one string vibrate at the same frequency as another. When its sounds the same, there is a harmony--a likeness. That is how He showed me how to 'hear' Spirit speaking to 'Spirit'. There is a witness one to the other and this is very real and substantial. Edited April 18, 2020 by Alive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: Not a very good case. It is perfectly sound. You are deliberately being argumentative. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted April 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Flowersun said: Zion,I believe JTB..is listening...he just doesn't believe the way some others do,..that is what I see anyway..not trying to be awkward...just another point of view. Many times now he has stated he will not listen anymore to what we say 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, *Zion* said: It is perfectly sound. You are deliberately being argumentative. This isn't a classroom exercise. This is about truth. Paul wasn't God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted April 18, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted April 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: This isn't a classroom exercise. This is about truth. Paul wasn't God. And so you are calling us all liars now? Did you really think we were treating the topic as a hypothetical question? Obviously it is an argumentative exercise for you. If you feel so anxious to have the last word then have it. I will not entertain you any further, as I have not found this discussion edifying to say the very least. If it doesn't build the body of Christ, then it's usually a waste of time. I am not usually this dismissive, but I have no problem dismissing the error that the Word of God is not perfect in ANY way. Be blessed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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