HOMOSEXUALITY - VS - SCRIPTURE

[Jason Yzaguirre]

8 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Well, actually God did the judging for you and pronounced it clearly.  I know what you mean in your statement above and  yes you are correct that we are to treat our fellow mankind with love and respect.  However, you do follow guidelines in the teaching of Gods word and some statues are clear and without mistake or then you make your own judgement as to what God condemns.

Whatever each one of us do here, you are correct in that we would each be judged.   There is something though that we have to abide by and it is his moral statues that he has outlined for us .  We are to edify one another and the word has plenty of scripture to amplify that.   We are talking about the things that God hates and we cannot wink an eye at it.   

There are ways we go about showing the teachings to others that would feel offensive . The bible says to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.  So the onus is one you to show your brothers  the errors in their paths ways that God clearly hates.

I am not naive of the subject and the antagonism that it brings forth, but we can either bury our heads in the sand or look for the opportunity to enlighten those who are being misled into a false sense of hope. 

 

 James 5 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁹ Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

²⁰ Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

We are on the same page but their fate and how God will condemn is up to him. It's not up to me to be hostile or refuse to talk with someone because I may not agree with their lifestyle. Maybe it's a cop out on my part, I've been told that (and a lot worse lol) but I think all I can do is pray for them and do the best of my humble ability to be a good example of a Christian as Jesus intended us. 

[Jason Yzaguirre]

4 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

 

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Even though this is off subject I feel for you brother that runs on both my parents side. My brother was diagnosed with it last year. So it's likely I'll eventually get it. I'm already almost deaf in one ear and my vision isn't so great either. 

[warrior12]

1 minute ago, Jason Yzaguirre said:

We are on the same page but their fate and how God will condemn is up to him. It's not up to me to be hostile or refuse to talk with someone because I may not agree with their lifestyle. Maybe it's a cop out on my part, I've been told that (and a lot worse lol) but I think all I can do is pray for them and do the best of my humble ability to be a good example of a Christian as Jesus intended us. 

I understand clearly what you are saying.  I don't think that you show animosity and the likes.   The word though has to be presented in the manner of which God is clearly showing as forbidden.  We know  this a  very hot topic and it is even law that we cannot discriminate ect.  We have to abide by those rulings of the land.  In terms of spiritual debates or conversation though, Gods word takes precedent and our feelings and thought process takes second place.  

Recently, having had a deeper look at how people in  those condition live and their values as human beings living in a society, had me feeling sympathy and trying to understand more how this condition could affect so many.   Having gone and still go through so much with spiritual warfare issues, I know for sure that the devil can manipulate and control and he does it by force too.  That's another topic by itself, but it' real to me and I cannot deny that.    

I think also, believers keep looking at the physical world in all the aspects of life here and I don't blame them for that. The spiritual world is just as real with all kind of things that goes on there that is just, well it only has to be experienced to full understand it.   Ok, that was just a little of topic there, but hope to show an angle of those who suffer under  those condition that need to be delivered from those strongholds. 

[Jason Yzaguirre]

2 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

I understand clearly what you are saying.  I don't think that you show animosity and the likes.   The word though has to be presented in the manner of which God is clearly showing as forbidden.  We know  this a  very hot topic and it is even law that we cannot discriminate ect.  We have to abide by those rulings of the land.  In terms of spiritual debates or conversation though, Gods word takes precedent and our feelings and thought process takes second place.  

Recently, having had a deeper look at how people in  those condition live and their values as human beings living in a society, had me feeling sympathy and trying to understand more how this condition could affect so many.   Having gone and still go through so much with spiritual warfare issues, I know for sure that the devil can manipulate and control and he does it by force too.  That's another topic by itself, but it' real to me and I cannot deny that.    

I think also, believers keep looking at the physical world in all the aspects of life here and I don't blame them for that. The spiritual world is just as real with all kind of things that goes on there that is just, well it only has to be experienced to full understand it.   Ok, that was just a little of topic there, but hope to show an angle of those who suffer under  those condition that need to be delivered from those strongholds. 

No, I do apologize if my wording may come off as hostile but far from it. Obviously I like to engage in conversation and I tend to see if it's something I can learn from it. My grammatical skills have come a very long way. lol I keep working on it but it has improved compared to say 10 years ago. Perhaps I am a lot more lax on this topic (among many) is because I was raised in a non-religious and a liberal household. I went through the agnostic period and was an atheist for two years. I had a sign from God one day that told me he was there and that was all the proof I needed. I guess my opinion is based on where I'm coming from. Not saying I was ever homosexual but I have pity for those who haven't tried to be right by God. I'm glad I'm on the path and hopefully that inspires others that there is hope if I can be saved. 

That last bit I think sort of is on topic actually because the issue is the physical world without thinking of the spiritual. Before I was always caught up in the physical, now I'm trying to focus on the spiritual but with the craziness of the world that becomes very hard to find a balance there. I think everyone has that issue and like you said, it's easy to fall in to the physical because it's what we know the best. 

[BeauJangles]

17 minutes ago, Jason Yzaguirre said:

Even though this is off subject I feel for you brother that runs on both my parents side. My brother was diagnosed with it last year. So it's likely I'll eventually get it. I'm already almost deaf in one ear and my vision isn't so great either. 

Again brother, not a problem. At least you have tact. Various things can be genetically inherited. My sister also experiences ongoing hearing difficulties. Mom was virtually deaf some years prior to her graduation to Heaven. And deterioration of the hips also runs in the family with osteoarthritis as well. But I was very surprised at my quickly acquired status of diabetes, as only my grandfather had it. Praying you don't have to deal with the eventuality. Neuropathy is no fun either.  

[Jason Yzaguirre]

17 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Again brother, not a problem. At least you have tact. Various things can be genetically inherited. My sister also experiences ongoing hearing difficulties. Mom was virtually deaf some years prior to her graduation to Heaven. And deterioration of the hips also runs in the family with osteoarthritis as well. But I was very surprised at my quickly acquired status of diabetes, as only my grandfather had it. Praying you don't have to deal with the eventuality. Neuropathy is no fun either.  

I am sorry to hear that I pray for you. Cancer, diabetes, heart failure are the main ones that runs in the family but of course others have gotten others. My brother was only 45, he chugged the remainder of a beer he was drinking and his pancreas shut down which put in a diabetic coma for few days. He is managing it well but pretty scary. It just makes us appreciate the preciousness of our temporary visit in Gods home. I have enjoyed the conversation between you and warrior12 tonight, however it is time for me to get to the Good Book before turning in tonight. God Bless you brother and enjoy the rest of your night!

[BeauJangles]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

Yo amigo.  so sorry. I mean to a +1  and - diabetes.  I will now proceed to explano'.     

+1                  =I have all the conditions similar to yours , so I second your statement.

- Diabetes   = I ain't have this one yet.  

si'

Okay, bro. No harm done. I've been able to attempt some aspect of humor about the numerous maladies that have befallen on me in the last two years. None of the ones I've listed comes close in comparison. I'm not perfect either. Still on good terms here.

Love in Christ,

David

[Manonfire63]

In Romans 1:18-25 God made himself clearly known.  There is no excuse.  Those who rejected God were given over to dishonorable passions. 

A Secular Humanist or Secular Progressive may have believed that honor was a 1950's thing and good riddance.  Like some people believed that marriage was as failed institution, and worked to destroy it?  Like a SJW claiming "Gender is over."  How many people have understood dishonorable passions? 

The Bible is full of genealogies.  Being a Son of Abraham means something.  Sons of Abraham are to number as the stars in the sky.  Having children, and reproducing has been something that is honorable, and a way a man finds worth.  Have you seen the movie "Saving Private Ryan?"  Given someone was an only child, they could not be drafted.  Family and family name may be important.  In the movie "Saving Private Ryan," the Ryan family had sacrifice many sons, and the US Government decided the Ryan family had done enough.  They sent some men to go find the last brother.  Family is important. 

Colleges have been known for debauchery since the 1960's.  The War Protestors were often looked at with disdain by many people in the community around a university because of how gross they had been.  A dishonor passion may have been a man's daughter going to college and prostituting herself in hook up culture, or whatever had been going on.  She dishonored herself, her dad, and her family name. 

A lot of people have not understood honor because they have done dishonorable things, or needed false things to be true to be happy?  They were happy in their ignorance?  The Truth hurts.  How many of those people ended up college graduates?  Did they repent?  I grew up with an understanding "Sweating like a Whore in Church."  I never saw it.  In a climate of debauchery where certain people became "Self-Centered Seekers of Pleasure" who rejected God and righteousness, some tended to accept other lewd behaviors as well such as "Gay Culture."  It was not just homosexuality.  It was a "Gay Culture" like Ghetto Culture? 
 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Manonfire63

[Manonfire63]

Lets say someone rejected God sometime between 1960 and 1990.  They rejected God and righteousness. They were in dishonorable passions.  They went back to Church.  They got burnt out, and went back to Church.  Maybe they decided to start a family and clean up a little bit.  Did they repent?  Given they didn't repent, they had false idols in the form of false ideologies.  God judges to the third and forth generation.  What happened to their posterity?  Their children or grandchildren? 

Saint Patrick in pagan Ireland was said to have become frustrated with certain men's stubbornness at not converting, that he cursed them and their sons ended up gay.  People started wearing things like that with a badge of honor in Secular academia and the media to some degree? 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Manonfire63

[Daniel Marsh]

Micah 6:8 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
8 Human, the Lord has told you what goodness is.
    This is what he wants from you:
Be fair to other people.
    Love kindness and loyalty,
    and humbly obey your God.