The Pre-Trib Rapture and The Day Of The Lord

[not an echo]

On 4/30/2020 at 3:07 PM, douggg said:

On 4/30/2020 at 9:53 AM, not an echo said:

So, are you are not seeing Matthew 24:29-31 as a singular event?

Is Jesus first coming a single event?

There are multitude of closely tied together events that take place during Matthew 24:29-31.     Overall, as Jesus's Second Coming.

Spanning around 2 months.     The one specific block of time that can be determined is the 45 days that the armies will assemble at Armagddeon, and march down and take Jerusalem as hostage.     That 45 days is annotated on my chart.

Hi douggg,

Just a couple of questions for now as I am really trying to see a little clearer what you are seeing.

Are you seeing Christ's 6th Seal appearance as being "around 2 months" separated from His Second Advent?

In Jesus' parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32-35, do you see "all these things" in verse 33 as pertaining to what He just talked about in verses 29-31?

Edited February 2, 2023 by not an echo

[douggg]

18 hours ago, not an echo said:

Are you seeing Christ's 6th Seal appearance as being "around 2 months" separated from His Second Coming?

Yes, in principle.    The timeframe between the sixth seal event and  the day that Jesus returns to the Mt. Olives where He left is 45 days.

The great tribulation ends with Jesus's return.    The text in Matthew 24:29 is a little different in that it says "after the tribulation of those days" indicating that most of the great tribulation is over as far as the trumpets and vial judgments, but not all of it.

There is still the last vial of God's wrath left, the 7th vial.    Which I show on my chart.

The great tribulation lasts 1335 days.

The tribulation of those days lasts 1290 days.

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by douggg

[not an echo]

On 4/27/2020 at 3:44 PM, douggg said:

If you are so cramped for time,  I suggest take some time off from posting in this eschatology forum until you have learned to use a program like Paintshop Pro.   Or just toughen up, ask the Lord for help with the time constraint issues, and His help in understanding the end times passages (that's what I do), and keep posting (selectively) while learning how to use such a program...

Hi again douggg (and Marilyn C),

As I spoke of doing several posts back when I bare some of my heart to you, I have now shared my testimony in the Testimonies section of the forum under the title, My Testimony and More (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/252050-my-testimony-and-more/).  Also, as I have indicated at the end of my testimony, my initial draw to this forum concerned my interest in eschatology and my desire to share and discuss with others concerning some different interpretations that I have, which have resulted in a very different pre-trib (or pre-Daniel's 70th Week) rapture view that I have, if it's appropriate to call it that.  Of course, with a thread (as with thread)...

...there is no telling what kinds of twists and turns it might take, and it is easy to get into the tangle of something that may not be very edifying.  On my end, I'm sure that I will have to unravel enough tangles having to do with the subject I feel God has called me to address, without letting myself be drawn into something that He has called someone else to address.  I certainly believe that all of God's children have a contribution that they can make to our more fully understanding the great truths of God's Word, as Paul taught in Ephesians 4:11-16.  With every aspect of my Christian walk, and now concerning posts I reply or respond to on this forum---even on a thread that I may have started---I will continue to endeavor to follow what has for decades been my life Scripture, which is Proverbs 3:5-6: "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;  and lean not unto thine own understanding.  In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths."

I have scanned some trying to see if either of you have shared your testimonies, but so far I have not found them.  If you have, I would certainly be interested in seeing how Christ has also worked in your lives.

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[douggg]

51 minutes ago, not an echo said:

which have resulted in a very different pre-trib (or pre-Daniel's 70th Week) rapture view that I have, if it's appropriate to call it that.  Of course, with a thread (as with thread)

not an echo,  the anytime rapture view does not say that the rapture "cannot" happen pre-trib (pre-70th week).   It certainly can.  

But we have recognize as well the possibility it may not.   But not to go crazy like the post-trib view does.     Christians are not appointed to the time of God's wrath during the early years of the Day of the Lord.

The anytime rapture view does not change any outlook you have concerning the rapture as it being imminent - could happen anytime.

The anytime rapture view corrects a few of the flaws in the classical pre-trib view.    And gets it in line with what the bible indicates. 

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What I think is - that you are trying to grasp hold to the term "pre-trib" when you say "very different pre-trib rapture view".      Maybe it is time to use a different label - such as the anytime rapture view.     It is not like you would be abandoning the idea that the rapture could happen pre-trib (pre-70th week).

The anytime rapture view is the latest advancement to all of the classical timing views.   To finally get it right.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by douggg