“I will spit you out” ....

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

He did not spit out those who were cold and not believers or those who were hot who were born again believers. He spit out those who were luke warm and counterfeit believers. He found those the most offensive. 

I disagree with your statement that the lukewarm are counterfeit believers.   Where does one draw the line as to where lukewarm lies on the scale?  We can't.  Only Jesus can, and the same would go with judging someone to be a true believer or not.  At the very best, we can only guess.

To me, a lukewarm Christian is someone who does believe in Jesus, but refuses to walk in His ways He sets forth for them to walk in.  More like fence sitters, knowing scripture is true, yet is unwilling to repent and give up their pet sins.

[Behold]

3 hours ago, OneLight said:

  He Himself claims He will expel such a person from His mouth, no longer being part of His body,

How can a believer stop being "in Christ"?   or as you seem to be teaching....>"no longer a part of His body"?

If the born again are in Spiritual Union with God and Christ, and you did not put yourself there, do you actually believe that you can get out of this Union?

By Sin?   When there is none being held against a believer because Christ bore it, became it, and died for it ALL?

Or by losing Faith??, when in fact its not faith that saves you, its God who saves you THRU YOUR FAITH once = when you are born again that proves that your "faith is counted as righteousness".

So, explain clearly, as you seem to be teaching that a born again Christian can be un-born again, and  lose your salvation.

Did i read you incorrectly?

Edited May 1, 2020 by Behold

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Not me said:

@OneLight

Thank you for your thoughts...

If we look at the first verse of Revelations it says; 

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ”

Everything after that, is describing in different ways the revealing of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, in creation as well as in creature....

I think the answer to this question;

What is salvation? 

Will bring the understanding of what the Revelation of Jesus Christ is and what it consists of, where one will see, that it alone is the all of salvation and  everything in scripture is written for that purpose...

Be blessed in your growing and understanding of the Revelation of Jesus Christ..

A fellow servant of His, Not me

You are welcome.  I must say I am disappointed that you did not address anything I said. 

Despite what some may believe, I do understand salvation and one of my favorite books in scripture is the Book of Revelation.  Yet, I fail to see how the Book of Revelation is the all of salvation.  All of scripture points of Jesus, not to the book of Revelation.

[Behold]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

He did not spit out those who were cold and not believers or those who were hot who were born again believers. He spit out those who were luke warm and counterfeit believers. He found those the most offensive. 

"Depart from me, i never KNEW you".... He does not KNOW the  unbeliever.

He certainly KNOWS a Born Again Christian.    How could He not ?  He lives IN YOU RIGHT NOW.

I bet Jesus even knows your name........

Edited May 1, 2020 by Behold

[Behold]

2 hours ago, Logostician said:

We do need to stay strong in Christ and grow in him.  All seven of the churches in Revelation are told to "overcome". 

 

1 John 5:5

""And who has OVERCOME  Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.""

If you are one of those then you have overcome.
 

[Not me]

14 minutes ago, OneLight said:

You are welcome.  I must say I am disappointed that you did not address anything I said. 

Despite what some may believe, I do understand salvation and one of my favorite books in scripture is the Book of Revelation.  Yet, I fail to see how the Book of Revelation is the all of salvation.  All of scripture points of Jesus, not to the book of Revelation.

I have no doubt you are His and seeking Him with all your heart..

But a closer reading of what I wrote will reveal I was not talking about the book of Revelations but the Revelation of Jesus Christ....Which does answer all your questions from their very ground..

Be blessed in your seeking, Not me 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Not me

[OneLight]

2 minutes ago, Not me said:

I have no doubt you are His and seeking Him with all your heart..

But a closer reading of what I wrote will reveal I was not talking about the book of Revelations but the Revelation of Jesus Christ....Which does answer all your questions from there very ground..

Be blessed in your seeking, Not me 

Why did you state "The whole book of Revelations is about the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ...The bringing forth and the Glorification of Him in and by His body, His people... " then?  I must admit that due to this statement it sure does look like you were speaking about the Book of Revelation as you only quote from this one book.

[Not me]

Just now, OneLight said:

Why did you state "The whole book of Revelations is about the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ...The bringing forth and the Glorification of Him in and by His body, His people... " then?  I must admit that due to this statement it sure does look like you were speaking about the Book of Revelation as you only quote from this one book.

Because it is true;

As I stated in my first post to you the first verse in Revelations says; 

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ”

This is Gods purpose of all creation and creatures, that His Son would be manifested in them and through them... But then this is just a reiteration of what I asked you to read again..

Our very salvation is for the purpose of manifesting  Christ or the Revelation of Jesus Christ.. Different words putting forth the same truth..

So to Him do we look for an increase in that Revelation, Not me 

[OneLight]

3 hours ago, Cornelius10 said:

IS not that the same as saying I can not stop sinning, it is my nature, even being born again I still sin, Jesus takes my sins from me?

It is having a free will to chose which path you will follow.  Jesus gave us salvation, while we have to accept His salvation.  Some accept it with open arms and continue in Him toward maturity while others freely accept His salvation and balk at the idea of having to change or give up their pet sins they enjoy.  The latter is who I would see as a lukewarm Christian, not on fire for the Lord.

[OneLight]

3 hours ago, Behold said:

How can a believer stop being "in Christ"?   or as you seem to be teaching....>"no longer a part of His body"?

When they turn from Christ or when Jesus vomits them out of His mouth.

3 hours ago, Behold said:

If the born again are in Spiritual Union with God and Christ, and you did not put yourself there, do you actually believe that you can get out of this Union?

Even though you did nothing to earn your salvation, did you in fact have to accept His salvation, by the free choice of your own?

3 hours ago, Behold said:

By Sin?   When there is none being held against a believer because Christ bore it, became it, and died for it ALL?

Christ did die for our sins, but we first need to repent before they are removed, otherwise, they remain.  If Jesus died for every persons sin where nobody needs to repent, that is known as Universalism, which I do believe you do not agree with.

3 hours ago, Behold said:

Or by losing Faith??, when in fact its not faith that saves you, its God who saves you THRU YOUR FAITH once = when you are born again that proves that your "faith is counted as righteousness".

What are the results of those in Ephesus who did not repent?  What about those in Pergamos who do not repent?   Those in Sardis who do not repent are told their names will be blotted out of the Book of Life.  Then there are those of the Laodiecans - what did Jesus say about them if they do not repent?  They all are part of the church, His church.  What would you say happened to them in order for themselves to be found is such a condition that Jesus tells them to repent or else?  Did they loose faith?  Did their hearts become hardened?  Did they walk away to a point where they forgot who they are?  Something happened.

3 hours ago, Behold said:

So, explain clearly, as you seem to be teaching that a born again Christian can be un-born again, and  lose your salvation.

Did i read you incorrectly?

Something happened in their lives where they walked away from God far enough for Jesus to have to give them a "repent or else" warning.  What do you call it when someone finds themselves that far from His ways?  I would say they rejected His moving and instructions in their lives to a point that they are no longer trying to be like Christ, all the while wanting to continue being accepted for choosing to sin without repenting over allowing themselves to be changed more into His image.  What is the name for such a choice?  There seem to be many, you choose, but remember, they all are, up to that point, saved or they would not be considered part of His church.