PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

[Remnantrob]

I know I asked this somewhere before but isn't Revelations a symbolic book? If so aren't somethings symbolic. For example, the woman you've equated to Israel, I equated to a church because the book is prophetic.

Jeremiah 6:2;Isaiah 51:16; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27

So if we are his people(church) spoken of in Rev, then it would make the people standing in the last days us. JMOP.

[halifaxchristian]

I know I asked this somewhere before but isn't Revelations a symbolic book?

Edited July 27, 2005 by halifaxchristian

[Trust & Obey]

I found this article on Google.Com. I know nothing of the group who published it (see end of article), but it appears to be right on the money to me, not just from a pre-trib/post-trib argument, but about Christians in our society in general. This supports what the Lord has been showing me these past 8 months. It is long, but worth the read:

PRE-TRIB RAPTURE---FACT OR FABLE?

Well, I haven't read the entire article, but it starts out with 3 passage that are allegedly "proof texts," yet they are not taken in context. I'll explain what I mean.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables@ (2 Tim. 4:3-4).

This is a true statement, but I doubt Paul had the Rapture in mind when he penned it.

Jesus prayed to the Father, "My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one" (Jn. 17:15).

The context of this does not lend itself to forbidding God to do what Paul mentions in 1 Thes 4, else we have a contradiction in the Bible.

Concerning the endtime Jesus said, "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and be put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of Me" (Mt. 24:9).

Jesus is speaking to Jews here. How do we know? Because they are handed over to synagogues, as the parallel account in Luke says.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Jesus is speaking to Jews here. Gentiles would not be delivered up to synagogues. Another hint that we have about this is the fact that Jesus mentions the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

The warning of the Sabbath shows that this is a warning for the children of Israel, whom God has established the covenant of the Sabbath with.

The pre-trib view is the only view that is consistent with God's character, examples of past judgment, and the promise of Jesus that believers could escape the GT (Luke 21:36; Rev 3:10).

[Trust & Obey]

Have you ever read Jeremiah 30? The 7 years are for Israel not that Church Notice!

Revelation 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 2:11

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 2:17

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 2:29

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 3:6

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 3:13

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Revelation 3:22

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Then, while the trubulation is going on!!!

Revelation 13:9

He who has an ear, let him hear.

Where is the Church? why would it not say to the churches anymore???

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Hi Trinity,

So who is going to preach to the Jews if the believers are all taken out.

The 144,000, plus all of the people who come to faith during the GT.

[halifaxchristian]

Thanks trust and obey!!!

[Christ's Free Servant]

Well, I see a lot of smily faces and friendly handshakes going on, so it looks like everyone is still playing nice. I'm glad we can have this discussion without mud throwing. It makes it so much more pleasant to read. Thanks a bunch!!

[halifaxchristian]

Well, I see a lot of smily faces and friendly handshakes going on, so it looks like everyone is still playing nice. I'm glad we can have this discussion without mud throwing. It makes it so much more pleasant to read. Thanks a bunch!! 

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You are so right sue! I wish that every post on this board would see the outcome of peaceable, fruitful discussions . Unfortunately, many people's passions take over and we often forget to excercise fruits of the Spirit. We should be slow to speak, slow to wrath, not the other way around. I am glad to have such a debate with you fine people, and pray that we will become as "one mind" like the original Apostles. Sue, God bless you for your insight here.

Michael.

[Karen C.]

Being a pre-trib believer, I would like to post a article that I really like.

http://prophecyinthenews.com/articledetail.asp?Article_ID=9

http://www.ldolphin.org/cleanpages/rapture.html

[apothanein kerdos]

I'm so suprised (and happy) this has remained peaceful.

If I may, I want to ask if we'll ever know with certainty (before the event) which will occur. I ask this because I know a very respected man who holds three doctorates (biblical languages, theology, ministry) who believes in a Pre-Tribulation rapture...yet I know of another man that holds the exact same qualifications who believes in a Post-Tribulation rapture.

I mean, both hold the same qualification but come to different conclusions....so I have to wonder if we'll ever know until it happens.

[Christ's Free Servant]

I'm so suprised (and happy) this has remained peaceful.

If I may, I want to ask if we'll ever know with certainty (before the event) which will occur. I ask this because I know a very respected man who holds three doctorates (biblical languages, theology, ministry) who believes in a Pre-Tribulation rapture...yet I know of another man that holds the exact same qualifications who believes in a Post-Tribulation rapture.

I mean, both hold the same qualification but come to different conclusions....so I have to wonder if we'll ever know until it happens.

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You know, no matter how many discussions we have on this topic, it really comes down to one thing to me - are you ready? Are you ready to suffer for Christ, if need be? Are you ready to stand alone? Are you willing to accept whatever the Lord decides to do?

No one of us can say with any certainty that it is going to go one way or another, and perhaps that was God's plan all along, so that we would trust in him and not in man or in our own resources and our own intellect. But, the main thing I see consistent throughout scripture is that we need to be ready and watching and waiting so that we are not taken by surprise when he comes.

I have just one simple little question I'd like to ask and I think I've asked it before with no response, and that is: Why is it so important to convince people of the pre-trib rapture? Let's continue to keep this thread friendly. I just don't understand why it is so important to convince people they will not have to go through the tribulation. Would it not be better to prepare them to suffer for Christ and to stand up for our Lord and then if the Lord comes and snatches us away and we don't have to suffer through the tribulation - hallelujah! Just a thought here.

Ok, continue....