Salvation...Can it be lost???

[Khristeeanos]

1Diem

Yeah, weird isn't it? We can be filthy yet by God we can be clean. I know grace is a new concept to you, but that's what it is.

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I know that may be harsh, but you have a vast misunderstanding of what grace is. What you teach goes against the very definition of what grace is.

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I accept your apology.

[Tari]

It surprises me how many people believe in totally being saved, and their eternal salvation never being lost. It's just hard to understand because our God is such a strict God. It seems like your God given common sense alone would warn you that this is going to take quite a commitment. There is such an easy fast salvation theory going on in todays society. Repentence of sins alone can be quite a task. Considering in todays world we are bombarded with, say for instance, visual signs of sin everywhere. It's all over the television, and all over advertising everywhere. Just trying to clear our minds alone of sin and lust, material desires

[Joy in the Journey]

Instead of worrying about your salvation being assured, why not worry about repenting of your sins? Why not worry about commiting your life to Christ and following His teachings throughout your life?

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Now there's about the BEST response I've read yet!

God be with you,

Tim

[Khristeeanos]

Instead of worrying about your salvation being assured, why not worry about repenting of your sins? Why not worry about commiting your life to Christ and following His teachings throughout your life?

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Now there's about the BEST response I've read yet!

God be with you,

Tim

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Yes, Tim. You are correct.

To me, OSAS is a worthless doctrine.

That is because if someone heeds Jesus' words in the Sermon on the Mount that say......

• Matthew 7:24-27
  "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
  

.....than our security will come from Jesus, and not a man-made doctrine.

To far too many people, their confidence and assurance comes not from Jesus, but from the teaching of OSAS. Their bear no fruit of the Spirit and have no zeal or love for Christ.

It is very sad to me that this happens so much.

[apothanein kerdos]

Instead of worrying about your salvation being assured, why not worry about repenting of your sins? Why not worry about commiting your life to Christ and following His teachings throughout your life?

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Now there's about the BEST response I've read yet!

God be with you,

Tim

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Yes, Tim. You are correct.

To me, OSAS is a worthless doctrine.

That is because if someone heeds Jesus' words in the Sermon on the Mount that say......

• Matthew 7:24-27
  "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
  

.....than our security will come from Jesus, and not a man-made doctrine.

To far too many people, their confidence and assurance comes not from Jesus, but from the teaching of OSAS. Their bear no fruit of the Spirit and have no zeal or love for Christ.

It is very sad to me that this happens so much.

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Yay for straw man arguments that do nothing to defeat the doctrine but instead ignore what the scripture says and appeals to a select few that don't practice what they believe! Who cares that those of us that believe in eternal security have consistently said that when we sin God disciplines us and brings us back to Him, that He will not let us keep on sinning if we have true faith in Him. That makes the straw man too complicated and really defeats it, so yay for ignoring what is taught!

[Khristeeanos]

Instead of worrying about your salvation being assured, why not worry about repenting of your sins? Why not worry about commiting your life to Christ and following His teachings throughout your life?

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Now there's about the BEST response I've read yet!

God be with you,

Tim

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Yes, Tim. You are correct.

To me, OSAS is a worthless doctrine.

That is because if someone heeds Jesus' words in the Sermon on the Mount that say......

• Matthew 7:24-27
  "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
  

.....than our security will come from Jesus, and not a man-made doctrine.

To far too many people, their confidence and assurance comes not from Jesus, but from the teaching of OSAS. Their bear no fruit of the Spirit and have no zeal or love for Christ.

It is very sad to me that this happens so much.

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Yay for straw man arguments that do nothing to defeat the doctrine but instead ignore what the scripture says and appeals to a select few that don't practice what they believe! Who cares that those of us that believe in eternal security have consistently said that when we sin God disciplines us and brings us back to Him, that He will not let us keep on sinning if we have true faith in Him. That makes the straw man too complicated and really defeats it, so yay for ignoring what is taught!

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And you wonder why I don't address your posts. You make a personal attack on me, and then you question my relationship with God, and then you belittle me.

It is ok. I still love you because the love of Christ is in me. I have a compassion for you and hope and pray that you don't have bitterness in your heart towards me.

[apothanein kerdos]

I didn't belittle you or even question your relationship with God. I stated facts. You have a misunderstanding of grace and use straw man arguments to validate all of your points. How is the truth an attack?

[Tari]

Super Jew,

So are you saying that people who do not believe they can be assured of eternal security are straw men?

Are you saying that we ignore what the scriptures say?

Are you also saying that we do not practice what we believe?

Thats very presumptious of you. You are assuming these things, about people who believe that they cannot assure their own eternal salvation.

We are using plenty of scripture to back up our belief, why don't you do the same.

[apothanein kerdos]

So are you saying that people who do not believe they can be assured of eternal security are straw men?

I'm saying their arguments are straw men arguments.

Are you saying that we ignore what the scriptures say?

Yes

Are you also saying that we do not practice what we believe?

I'm saying that is exactly what you accuse us of. We teach that we are eternally God's, no matter what we do. Yet you seem to take this and say, "Oh, this means all of you sin as much as you want" when this is not the case. The other side of eternal security is discipline and love, that we obey out of love (not out of fear of losing our salvation) and that if we do sin God will discipline us and chastize us until we stop and then bring us back to Him.

We are using plenty of scripture to back up our belief, why don't you do the same.

I used about 20 verses a few pages back. All of them were offered with Greek analysis and context. Look it up.

[Tari]

Super Jew,

Okay, I've read through some of your previous posts. I understand to a certain extent where your argument is here. Tell me something if you wish, in your opinion what does it take in order for a person to have eternal salvation?