Is Anyone Actually In Hell At This Time?

[Guest firepaw_1234]

Nobody is in Hell, there is no Hell.

[yomotalking]

Hades Sheol and hell is the Grave. Every one who has died is there until the Lord resurects them.

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So we're stuck...rotting in our Graves 'til then?

LOVELY!

Yomo

[yomotalking]

Nobody is in Hell, there is no Hell.

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You are looking for controversy?

Or not>?

Yomo

[Old Timer]

Hades Sheol and hell is the Grave. Every one who has died is there until the Lord resurects them.

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So we're stuck...rotting in our Graves 'til then?

LOVELY!

Yomo

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Psa 6:4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake.

Psa 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:

Psa 146:2-4 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being.

Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Of course I could have quoted you Gen 3:4...Ye shall not surely die:

Would you have liked that one better?

[irishcowboy]

when absent from the body ( as a true follower ) we are present with the Lord.

(the soul)

the first resurrection is when those that are dead in Christ and those that are in Christ alive, are taken in the blink of an eye..... these are the ones that have been found to be righteous thru Christ. everyone else is left to contend with each other for 7 years while the first judgement is taking place ( the judgement seat of the Lamb ) and this is where our works come into play..... our works will be placed to the test of fire.

after the 7 year tribulation, is when Christ actually returns, and this time with His army..... (battle of armagedeon).... this is where satan and his followers are locked away for 1000 years....

after that 1000 years, satan is let loose for a short time, and then defeated at the battle of gog and magog....... and then the second resurrection, of those that are dead, and not in Christ, and they will be judged at the Great White Throne judgement, along with satan and his followers and then cast into the lake of fire....

the lake of fire was not ment for mankind, but some of mankind will not ever have to worry about needing a winter coat again, for they shall share the warmth of the firey lake beside satan....

as far as some one being there now, the lake is ready.....

those that are not with Christ, wait.

mike

[Old Timer]

Mike, I have no disagreement with any of your last post except the first statement.

You imply, not specifically state, that when we die we are consciously awake in heaven and make reference to 2Cor 5:8

[Constant]

Hades Sheol and hell is the Grave. Every one who has died is there until the Lord resurects them.

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To those disagreeing with this post I hope you read it carefully, especially the last part,

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

This brings up another question I had. Were all the stories Jesus told true or were some made up to be an example. I especially have a hard time believeing this one since there is a guy speaking to Abraham from hell. I thought hell was supposed to be a prison. A place where a man loses everything. How is he speaking to Abraham? Did Jesus make this one up to be an example and deliver his message or was it actually true?

I have heard from a very trusted Pastor (Dr. Charles Stanley) that when Jesus told parables ("made-up stories") he never used names but when He was speaking about actual people He used their names...

Made sense to me.

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This was just a parable to bear on a certain point. And yes, this was the only time a name was used in a parable, and that was to bring attention to AN ACTUAL "person" AND NOT to make one believe the events in the parable were true.

Notice in the parable, that the beggar is named "Lazarus", but the rich man has NO NAME. Christ created a fictitious Lazarus to call attention to the real Lazarus (whom Christ raised up after he was dead for a few days) AND to Himself!

The purpose of this story was to prove Abraham's words, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

The raising of Lazarus was the most convincing proof of Christ's divinity. But none of the Jewish rulers were persuaded. In plotting to kill Jesus, they also took counsel to put Lazarus to death:

John 11:47, 53

47Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, "what shall we do? For this Man works many signs." 53"Then from that day on they plotted to put Him to death."

John 12:10

But the chief priests took council that they might ALSO put Lazarus to death."

In the parable, Abraham said that to let Lazarus rise from the dead would not convince those who disobeyed Moses and the Prophets.

In the real story, Jesus VALIDATED that point- by raising Lazarus from the dead and calling attention to it in the parable. And yes, those very prophets had predicted the coming Christ way before His virgin birth and still, the chief priests and Pharisees REFUSED to believe He was the Son of God.

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I believe JESUS was talking about an actual event.Would JESUS use a real person in a "made-up" story?Wouldn't this been a lie if HE used a real person in a situation that never took place?

[Old Timer]

bloodbaught,

It doesn't matter if it was a parable or an actual event.

Read my post #14 on page 2 of this thread.

[Sirsilius]

This brings up another question I had. Were all the stories Jesus told true or were some made up to be an example. I especially have a hard time believeing this one since there is a guy speaking to Abraham from hell. I thought hell was supposed to be a prison. A place where a man loses everything. How is he speaking to Abraham? Did Jesus make this one up to be an example and deliver his message or was it actually true?

I have heard from a very trusted Pastor (Dr. Charles Stanley) that when Jesus told parables ("made-up stories") he never used names but when He was speaking about actual people He used their names...

Made sense to me.

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This was just a parable to bear on a certain point. And yes, this was the only time a name was used in a parable, and that was to bring attention to AN ACTUAL "person" AND NOT to make one believe the events in the parable were true.

Notice in the parable, that the beggar is named "Lazarus", but the rich man has NO NAME. Christ created a fictitious Lazarus to call attention to the real Lazarus (whom Christ raised up after he was dead for a few days) AND to Himself!

The purpose of this story was to prove Abraham's words, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

The raising of Lazarus was the most convincing proof of Christ's divinity. But none of the Jewish rulers were persuaded. In plotting to kill Jesus, they also took counsel to put Lazarus to death:

John 11:47, 53

47Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, "what shall we do? For this Man works many signs." 53"Then from that day on they plotted to put Him to death."

John 12:10

But the chief priests took council that they might ALSO put Lazarus to death."

In the parable, Abraham said that to let Lazarus rise from the dead would not convince those who disobeyed Moses and the Prophets.

In the real story, Jesus VALIDATED that point- by raising Lazarus from the dead and calling attention to it in the parable. And yes, those very prophets had predicted the coming Christ way before His virgin birth and still, the chief priests and Pharisees REFUSED to believe He was the Son of God.

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I believe JESUS was talking about an actual event.Would JESUS use a real person in a "made-up" story?Wouldn't this been a lie if HE used a real person in a situation that never took place?

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HE WAS talking about an actual event [the raising of Lazarus]! He didn't use a "real person" in the made up story- he used a "real name" to bring attention to the real person in the real story.