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Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

19:7 And all the men were about twelve.

19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

John spoke below in regard to his baptism;

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

The disciples of John were limited in their knowledge. They only knew the baptism of John and had only been baptized with John's baptism.

John baptized Israel for repentance for remission of sins to prepare them for the earthly kingdom. He baptized them to be cleansed to enter the kingdom and to be prepared for national priesthood.

John baptized in order to identify Jesus as their Messiah.

Paul preached Jesus unto these disciples of John. He preached that John's baptism was to produce repentance to Israel to believe on Jesus.

The disciples believed and were baptized in the name of Jesus as commanded under Israel's kingdom program (Mark 16:16).

Below Jesus was speaking of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Ghost was not given until after his resurrection. The disciples of John would not have expected to receive the Holy Spirit upon belief;

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Paul laid hands on the disciples and they received the Spirit.

The disciples of John also, according to prophecy below, spoke in tongues; Jesus said those that believed and were baptized would be saved to enter into the kingdom of God on earth.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Paul went to the Synagogue and preached the kingdom of God. The kingdom includes both heaven and earth. Believing Israel will inherit the earthly kingdom. The Body of Christ will inherit the heavenly kingdom. Paul preached the heavenly kingdom (2 Timothy 4:18).


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Reading the post I am getting mixed messages...

Mark 16:16

"He that believe and be baptized shall be saved..."

"He that believeth not shall be damn..."

I shouldn't say that, as it is to premature to make a statement like that...

We have not come into a common understanding as to what "damn" is, and when it happens..

What is the opposite word of "damn" and what does that include?


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To make these distinctions is unnecessary. Some weird theologies do this in order to be 'different' and 'better'.

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2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Reading the post I am getting mixed messages...

Mark 16:16

"He that believe and be baptized shall be saved..."

"He that believeth not shall be damn..."

I shouldn't say that, as it is to premature to make a statement like that...

We have not come into a common understanding as to what "damn" is, and when it happens..

What is the opposite word of "damn" and what does that include?

Saved has more than one application... in this case, it refers to being physically delivered in the Davidic earthly kingdom.

The Lord Jesus was saying that those of Israel ,who were not obedient to baptism, would not enter the earthly kingdom when Christ comes again.


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Baptism and circumcision are synonymous. They initiated the person into the community. No more, no less.

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55 minutes ago, douge said:

Saved has more than one application... in this case, it refers to being physically delivered in the Davidic earthly kingdom.

The Lord Jesus was saying that those of Israel ,who were not obedient to baptism, would not enter the earthly kingdom when Christ comes again.

Your doctrine is wrong. Where did you get it? What is the origin of your belief system?

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34 minutes ago, douge said:

Saved has more than one application... in this case, it refers to being physically delivered in the Davidic earthly kingdom.

The Lord Jesus was saying that those of Israel ,who were not obedient to baptism, would not enter the earthly kingdom when Christ comes again.

I was looking forwards to what "damn" supposed to mean...or to what "damn" may include...

Thinking that may help to understand the other "not to be damn"...

"Not to be damn" it does have an element of relief...as "I am not included with those who are "damn""...it does have its rewards...knowing that one is not "damn"...

And this is the question which may include and it does include other questions....

But the primary question will always be when someone is not "damn"...

From Mark 16:16

"He that believeth not shall be damn..."

is it possible from this scriptural statement to deduce that "he that believes is not damn." 

Is it possible to isolate this question to include faith in the Son of God without the baptism of water...and say, would it be correct to say that "he who believes is not damn"...

(to believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins)

 

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14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

would it be correct to say that "he who believes is not damn"...

Yes.

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Is it correct to say..."he who has heard the Gospel and in due time he has decided not to believe...

That he is "not damn yet"...but he is counted amongst "those who would be damn"...only if he/she remains in their denial that Jesus is the Christ till the time he/she breathes his last and dies in unbelief....

That would include that Jesus desires every one who has refused to believe in him to come in a place and repent from their unbelief to believing in him any time,any moment before they breath their last in this body...

Jesus accepts the faith of anyone even though incapacitated and unable to fully response...Jesus accepts the ascent of faith in the heart of anyone...without imposing anything else on the individual...who ever he/she is....

Jesus accepts the faith of secret believers...

Even if we have judge our selves unworthy to be with him...he cannot deny himself...who he is  and he judges us worthy to be with him in his name....

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On 7/2/2020 at 9:25 AM, Justin Adams said:

Your doctrine is wrong. Where did you get it? What is the origin of your belief system?

I follow grace believers, right division. Links below.

Why is it wrong to say Mark 16:16 is directed to the remnant of Israel in regard to be able to enter the earthly kingdom and have positions of authority to reign with Christ for a thousand years?

If you think Mark 16:16 is for us then you would think baptism is salvific AND you would believe that Mark 16:17-18 would be operative, as some wrongly do.

 

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