THE PROMISE

[douge]

The new covenant is not the same as the new testament. The new testament was the death of Christ to forgive Israel the sins under the first testament (Hebrews 9:15). The mystery revealed by Paul revealed the new testament shed blood was applied for our forgiveness as well. The new covenant is future and will be made when Christ returns to establish his kingdom. The new covenant will forgive the iniquity of Israel and cause them to keep his law in the kingdom. The Holy Spirit will be given to the remnant of Israel to give them power to go through the tribulation and enter the kingdom on earth; the power, not the new covenant, is given to the remnant for this purpose.

The Holy Spirit will give the believing remnant of Israel power to go through the tribulation period and be able to enter into the kingdom on earth when Christ returns.

In the thousand year kingdom on earth, God will make the promised new covenant with Israel and give his spirit to the remnant.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost will be sent (John 16:7) to teach the remnant in the tribulation.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Jesus was speaking of the power of the Holy Ghost which would come onto the disciples; the disciples were to preach his name among the nations for the remission of sins during the tribulation.

The Holy Ghost was given to the remnant at Pentecost in Acts 2; although postponed, at that time, the tribulation was at hand, and the remnant was receiving power for the tribulation.

In the kingdom on earth, the new covenant, will, by his spirit, cause Israel to keep the commandments according to Ezekiel 36:27.

[David1701]

14 hours ago, douge said:

The new covenant is not the same as the new testament. The new testament was the death of Christ to forgive Israel the sins under the first testament (Hebrews 9:15). The mystery revealed by Paul revealed the new testament shed blood was applied for our forgiveness as well. The new covenant is future and will be made when Christ returns to establish his kingdom. The new covenant will forgive the iniquity of Israel and cause them to keep his law in the kingdom. The Holy Spirit will be given to the remnant of Israel to give them power to go through the tribulation and enter the kingdom on earth; the power, not the new covenant, is given to the remnant for this purpose.

The Holy Spirit will give the believing remnant of Israel power to go through the tribulation period and be able to enter into the kingdom on earth when Christ returns.

In the thousand year kingdom on earth, God will make the promised new covenant with Israel and give his spirit to the remnant.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost will be sent (John 16:7) to teach the remnant in the tribulation.

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Jesus was speaking of the power of the Holy Ghost which would come onto the disciples; the disciples were to preach his name among the nations for the remission of sins during the tribulation.

The Holy Ghost was given to the remnant at Pentecost in Acts 2; although postponed, at that time, the tribulation was at hand, and the remnant was receiving power for the tribulation.

In the kingdom on earth, the new covenant, will, by his spirit, cause Israel to keep the commandments according to Ezekiel 36:27.

This post is utter confusion.  The New Covenant and New Testament are one and the same.

The blood of Christ was shed for the elect Jews and Gentiles.  God has made, out of Jews and Gentiles, one new man (the body of Christ); from then on, everyone who is saved is in the one new man.

[douge]

21 hours ago, Josheb said:

What, if any, correlation do you think exists between Ezekiel 36:27 and Joel 2:28-29?

I like this question.

Peter in Acts 2 stated that Pentecost was the fulfilling of Joel 2:28-29. The Davidic earthly kingdom was being offered to Israel at that time. If they had received Jesus as Messiah, the Son of God, they would have entered into the tribulation period to separate the believing Jews from the unbelieving, and would have been purified for the kingdom. In the kingdom, the new covenant would forgive their iniquity, reign with Christ over the Gentile nations who entered the kingdom, bring them into the land, and make them a light to bring the Gentiles to God.

[douge]

8 hours ago, David1701 said:

This post is utter confusion.  The New Covenant and New Testament are one and the same.

The blood of Christ was shed for the elect Jews and Gentiles.  God has made, out of Jews and Gentiles, one new man (the body of Christ); from then on, everyone who is saved is in the one new man.

The new testament is the basis for the new covenant. God will forgive the iniquities of Israel based on the blood of Christ shed for the new testament. A testament is only in force upon the death of the testator, a covenant does not require death.

[douge]

21 hours ago, Josheb said:

Is a distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost being asserted?

No, they are one and the same, only the operation of the Spirit. The Spirit will give Israel power in the tribulation. The new covenant gives Israel the spirit to cause them to keep his law.

[David1701]

1 minute ago, douge said:

The new testament is the basis for the new covenant. God will forgive the iniquities of Israel based on the blood of Christ shed for the new testament. A testament is only in force upon the death of the testator, a covenant does not require death.

THIS covenant (the New Covenant) DID require the shedding of blood and death on the cross.  That is why the Lord Jesus Christ came - to save his people from their sins; and he accomplished this by his shed blood and death on the cross.  The New Covenant came into force at Pentecost, when the one new man (the body of Christ) was created from the believing Jews and Gentiles.

[douge]

4 minutes ago, David1701 said:

THIS covenant (the New Covenant) DID require the shedding of blood and death on the cross.  That is why the Lord Jesus Christ came - to save his people from their sins; and he accomplished this by his shed blood and death on the cross.  The New Covenant came into force at Pentecost, when the one new man (the body of Christ) was created from the believing Jews and Gentiles.

The body of Christ was a mystery, not revealed until Jesus revealed it to Paul. The body of Christ was not being formed in Acts 2....Peter said prophecy was being fulfilled as found in Joel 2. 

Hebrews 9:15 says the blood of the new testament, not the new covenant, was shed for the redemption of Israel.

[douge]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Whoa! I like the appeal to Acts 2 but Peter says the Davidic throne is the resurrection (not an earthly kingdom) and..... he is speaking to Israel when he says that!

Acts 2:30 is saying Jesus was raised to sit on the throne of David in the earthly kingdom. He will reign from Jerusalem over the Gentile nations.

[douge]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Now I asked about Ezekiel and Joel, not Joel and Acts. If your response is to be understood to say there is a parallel or correlation between Ezekiel and Joel, or they are for all intents and purposes the same prophesy spoken in different words by two prophets then I completely agree. 

Ezekiel 36:27 is the new covenant which will be made in the kingdom when Christ returns. Joel 2 speaks of the day of the Lord which will result in the return of Christ to establish the kingdom. Acts 2 and Joel 2:28-29 was the pouring out of the Spirit to give Israel power to witness in the tribulation and be able to enter the kingdom.....this was postponed until the future as a result of their rejection.

[TheBlade]

Hmm well dough. .. your leaving out verses. Behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin (SIN) of the ? WORLD! For God so loved the world. And how can one miss in the OT/Torah where Israel WAS to take His word to the world. And.. who do you think all those STARS are? Not just Israel. Amen.. Now you brothers, As Issac was we ARE the children of promise!

This is just the verse that popped in my head.. no clue if it means anything here

What is man that You are mindful of him,And the son of man that You visit[a] him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels,And You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands. You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen—Even the beasts of the field, The birds of the air, And the fish of the sea, That pass through the paths of the seas.