COVID-19: Rev 6:8 and 9:18

[Fidei Defensor]

6 hours ago, David1701 said:

This all sounds rather jesuitical....

As for that crucifix avatar - get Christ off the cross!  He died once for all, never more to die.  The sacrifice is not to be repeated endlessly, in the blasphemy of the RC Mass.

The Apostle Paul supports the Communion and proclaiming Christ’s death: 

“For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.” (1 Corinthians 11:26) 

“but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,” (1 Corinthians 1:23) 

The Crucifix is merely art depicting Jesus our Lord sacrfice for our sins. I find it a happy image, that God so loved me He gave His Son for me. It reminds me that I am loved this much by God! (Arms outstretched). Of course He rose from the Dead, thay is shown in plain crosses or the Ressurectix Cross. The Crucifix is focused on the moment of “Its Finished,” “Your debt is wiped away,” and “You are forgiven.” 

The Crucifix does not belong to Roman Catholics, The Crucifixion belongs to all Christians as does the Ressurection. 

You never hear someone say when they see a empty tomb pic or Jesus coming out of the Tomb shouting, “stop with that! The Tomb is empty! He ascended and is at right hand of God! Stop saying He’s still leaving the Tomb.” Rather people know the depiction of the Ressurection is highlighting the Ressurection, not ommiting what happened before or after.  Its the same with Crucifixes, its highlighting  the sacrifice and atonement for sin, not ommiting what happens after. That would be like saying s painring of Jesus on the donkey entering Jerusalem is negelcting the Crucifixion and Ressurection, “Get him off the donkey. He’s not still on the donkey.” 

P.S. Crucifixes are used by Protestants denoms like Anglicans and Lutherans:  

“The crucifix is a principal symbol for many groups of Christians, and one of the most common forms of the Crucifixion in the arts. It is especially important in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, but is also used in the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches (except the Armenian Church), Assyrian Church, and the Eastern Catholic Churches, as well as by the Lutheran and Anglican Churches.” (Crucifix, Wikipedia), 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Fidei Defensor
Typos, Grammer

[LDM01]

I am 70 years old and seen a lot in my life and done a lot in my life, what about this Covid-19. Some people tells me its a big joke and some goes on living their life like nothing ever happen. Myself I believe it was put here on this earth to open mankind eyes, is God mad at mankind I would say He is. God is sick at mankind spitting on Him and looking pass Him. Mankind spend more time in their sinful lifestyle living the way they want to and doing as they please. God is saying mankind has had their fun now its my turn! Atonement days will be here soon so all this country and this world better Repent from their sinful lifestyle and come back to God or pay for it the hard way. Let me tell you this is no joke or some wild story this is REAL, FACT you may take this any way you want. But the word is out God is looking for REPENTANCE from this country/world or else. I believe on 9/26/20 God will show mankind His Power for some this date will be to late for them. (2 Chronicles 7:14) read it and do as God ask you to do)! 

I want people out there to understand something, I am not judging anyone or I am not saying that I know the time when Jesus is coming back because I don't FACT! I talk to many people and I can see what is in people hearts and their words to me. I have been doing this over 40 years and with the help of the Lord I think I can say I am doing it the Lords way, Thank you and Bless you!

Edited July 19, 2020 by LDM01

[Omegaman 3.0]

7 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

31 You had sex on every street corner, and when you finished, you refused to accept money. That’s worse than being a prostitute!

OKAY, way too weird! I was not familiar with the CEV Biblw before. I highly recommend, that you find a version not designed for a 4th grade reading level and that is an actual translation, not a way off the mark paraphrase.

ESV: 31 building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a prostitute, because you scorned payment.

KJV: 31 In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire

NASB: 31 “When you built your shrine at the beginning of every street and made your high place in every square, in disdaining money, you were not like a harlot.

NIV: 31 When you built your mounds at every street corner and made your lofty shrines in every public square, you were unlike a prostitute, because you scorned payment.

YLT: In thy building thine arch at the head of every way, Thy high place thou hast made in every broad place, And -- hast not been as a whore deriding a gift.

Now it is true that a couple of versions imply what the CEV says, like the Douay–Rheims and the Darby translation, and the Septuagint does use the Greek word porneíón (from the Greek word porneia - often used metaphorically of idol worship) but the Hebrew does not speak of having sex, it speaks of building. In other words, consider reading an actual translations, instead of what someone thinks it means. Read for yourself, not the interpretations of others, and consider also, not cherry picking Bible versions that make the point you want to make, but which can mislead others.

Point people to parallels at least, so they can judge for themselves.

You can establish the fact that Jerusalem has been unfaithful, and called a harlot, without cut and pasting questionable translations. Otherwise you undermine you own credibility by such things. At least point out when you post something like the CEV, that it is not a translation, so much as an interpretation. Just advice!

[David1701]

3 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The Apostle Paul supports the Communion and proclaiming Christ’s death: 

“For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.” (1 Corinthians 11:26) 

“but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,” (1 Corinthians 1:23) 

The Crucifix is merely art depicting Jesys our Lord sacrfice for our sins. I find it a happy image, that God so loved me He gave His Son for me. It reminds me that I am loved this much by God! (Arms outstretched). Of course He rose from the Dead, thay is shown in plain crosses or the Ressurectix Cross. The Crucifix is focused on the moment of “Its Finished,” “Your debt is wiped away,” and “You are forgiven.” 

The Crucifix does not belong to Roman Catholic, The Crucifixion belongs to all Christians as does the Ressurection. 

You never hear someone say when they see a empty tomb pic or Jesus coming out of the Tomb shouting, “stop with that! The Tomb is empty! He ascended and is at right hand of God! Stop saying He’s still leaving the Tomb.” Rather people know the depiction of the Ressurection is highlighting the Ressurection, not ommiting what happened before or after.  Its the same with Crucifixes, its highlighting  the sacrifice and atonement for sin, not ommiting what happens after. That would be like saying s laintong of Jesus on the donkey entering Jerusalem is negelcting the Crucifixion and Ressurection, “Get him off the donkey. He’s not still on the donkey.” 

P.S. Crucifixes are used by Protestants denoms like Anglicans and Lutherans:  

“The crucifix is a principal symbol for many groups of Christians, and one of the most common forms of the Crucifixion in the arts. It is especially important in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, but is also used in the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches (except the Armenian Church), Assyrian Church, and the Eastern Catholic Churches, as well as by the Lutheran and Anglican Churches.” (Crucifix, Wikipedia), 

We are not supposed to make images (pictures or statues) of the Lord, especially not with long, effeminate hair.

Regarding the denominations that use the crucifix: how many Protestant denominations are listed here?  None!  There are still a few Evangelicals left in the Lutheran and Anglican denominations; but those denominations, as a whole, are now Liberal and heading back towards Rome.

[Mike Mclees]

2 hours ago, LDM01 said:

I am 70 years old and seen a lot in my life and done a lot in my life, what about this Covid-19. Some people tells me its a big joke and some goes on living their life like nothing ever happen. Myself I believe it was put here on this earth to open mankind eyes, is God mad at mankind I would say He is. God is sick at mankind spitting on Him and looking pass Him. Mankind spend more time in their sinful lifestyle living the way they want to and doing as they please. God is saying mankind has had their fun now its my turn! Atonement days will be here soon so all this country and this world better Repent from their sinful lifestyle and come back to God or pay for it the hard way. Let me tell you this is no joke or some wild story this is REAL, FACT you may take this any way you want. But the word is out God is looking for REPENTANCE from this country/world or else. I believe on 9/26/20 God will show mankind His Power for some this date will be to late for them. (2 Chronicles 7:14) read it and do as God ask you to do)!

Matt 24:36  But of the day and the hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 

There have been many date seters but none true. 

Is this the beginning of our final days and judgments of God for man who ignores Gods moral laws. I can not be any judge for others but from a personal standpoint when i look at the News casts from around the whole globe i can only say I believe the time is hear and the time for repentance is truly at hand even at the door.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Mike Mclees

[Fidei Defensor]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

We are not supposed to make images (pictures or statues) of the Lord, especially not with long, effeminate hair.

Regarding the denominations that use the crucifix: how many Protestant denominations are listed here?  None!  There are still a few Evangelicals left in the Lutheran and Anglican denominations; but those denominations, as a whole, are now Liberal and heading back towards Rome.

I respect your form of Anionism, but I say images of the Lord do no harm if used approperately. 

To quote Martin Luther: 

“Regarding Images

“But now let us look at images themselves: They are likewise not a necessity. And we’re free to have them or not (even though we’d be much better off without them and I personally don’t like them). A huge conflict once raged between the papacy and the empire over the subject of images. The emperor concluded they had to go; the pope concluded they had to remain. Both were wrong. Much blood was shed. The pope won and the emperor lost. 35 What was the brouhaha all about? Each wanted to make a “must” out of something “free.” God does not tolerate such a move. Do you presume to do things differently from the way God Almighty has decreed? Certainly not—so let it alone. You read in the Law, “You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” 36 There you take your stand; that is your ground. Well, take a look! When our adversaries say: The meaning of the first commandment is that we should worship only one God and not any image, even as the next line states, “You shall not bow down to them or serve them,” 37 and when they say that it is the worship of images which is forbidden and not the making of them, they are shaking our foundation and making it uncertain. And if you reply: The text says, “You shall not make any images,” then they say: It also says, “You shall not worship them.” In the face of such uncertainty who would be so bold as to destroy the images? Not I. Plus, we can even go further. They say: Did not Noah, Abraham, Jacob build altars? 38 And who will deny that? We must admit it. Also, Moses put up a bronze serpent, didn’t he, as we read in Numbers 22)? 39 How then can you say that Moses prohibited images when he himself made one? It seems to me that such a serpent is an image, too. How shall we answer that? Also, don’t we read that two birds were placed on the mercy seat (Exodus 37: 7), the very place where God wanted worship to take place? Here we must admit that we may have images and make images, but we must not worship them, and if they are worshipped, they should be put away and destroyed, just as King Hezekiah broke in pieces the bronze serpent erected by Moses (2 Kings 18: 4). And who will be so bold as to say, when challenged, that they worship the images? They will say, “Are you the one who dares to accuse us of worshipping them? Do not believe that they will acknowledge it. To be sure, it is true, but we cannot make them admit it. Just look how they acted when I condemned works without faith. They said: Do you believe that we have no faith, or that our works are performed without faith? Then I cannot press them any further, but must put my flute back in my pocket; for if they gain a hair’s breadth, they make a hundred miles out of it. It should have been preached, therefore, that images were nothing and that no service is done to God by placing them in a church; then they would have fallen of themselves. That is what I did; that is what Paul did in Athens, when he went into their churches and saw all their idols. He did not punch any of them in the mouth, but stood in the marketplace and said, “People of Athens, you are all idolatrous” [Acts 17: 16, 22]. He preached against their idols, but he overthrew none by force. But you rush in, cause a ruckus, smash altars, and topple images! Do you really believe you can get rid of such altars in this way? No, you will only set them up more firmly. Even if you overthrew the images in this place, do you think you have overthrown those in Nuremberg and around the whole world? No way. St. Paul, as we read in the Book of Acts [28: 11], sat in a ship on whose prow were painted or carved the Twin Brothers [i.e., Castor and Pollux]. He went on board and did not bother about them at all. And he didn’t dislodge them. Why did Luke describe the Twins at this point? Without doubt he wanted to show that outward things could do no harm to faith, if only the heart does not cleave to them or put its trust in them. This is what we must preach and teach, and let the Word alone do the work, as I said before. The Word must first capture our hearts and enlighten us; we will not be the ones to do it. The apostles emphasized their ministry and not the effectiveness of their ministry.” (The Ninety Five Theses and Other Works, Martin Luther, Sermons in Lent, Regarding Images, pg 43-44, Penguin Classics) 

 

Having images or not is left to individual’s conscience. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Fidei Defensor
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[Fidei Defensor]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

There are still a few Evangelicals left in the Lutheran and Anglican denominations; but those denominations, as a whole, are now Liberal and heading back towards Rome.

There are this many Lutherans who have not bended the knee to culture and watering down of the gospel: 

Missouri Synod Lutherans

“1,968,641 baptized (1.9 Million) 
1,545,124 confirmed (1.5 Million).” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church–Missouri_Synod) 

Missouri-Synod Lutherans won’t even ordain Free Masons, much less homosexuals. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Fidei Defensor
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[David1701]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I respect your form of Anionism, but I say images of the Lord do no harm if used approperately. 

To quote Martin Luther: 

“Regarding Images

“But now let us look at images themselves: They are likewise not a necessity. And we’re free to have them or not (even though we’d be much better off without them and I personally don’t like them). A huge conflict once raged between the papacy and the empire over the subject of images. The emperor concluded they had to go; the pope concluded they had to remain. Both were wrong. Much blood was shed. The pope won and the emperor lost. 35 What was the brouhaha all about? Each wanted to make a “must” out of something “free.” God does not tolerate such a move. Do you presume to do things differently from the way God Almighty has decreed? Certainly not—so let it alone. You read in the Law, “You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” 36 There you take your stand; that is your ground. Well, take a look! When our adversaries say: The meaning of the first commandment is that we should worship only one God and not any image, even as the next line states, “You shall not bow down to them or serve them,” 37 and when they say that it is the worship of images which is forbidden and not the making of them, they are shaking our foundation and making it uncertain. And if you reply: The text says, “You shall not make any images,” then they say: It also says, “You shall not worship them.” In the face of such uncertainty who would be so bold as to destroy the images? Not I. Plus, we can even go further. They say: Did not Noah, Abraham, Jacob build altars? 38 And who will deny that? We must admit it. Also, Moses put up a bronze serpent, didn’t he, as we read in Numbers 22)? 39 How then can you say that Moses prohibited images when he himself made one? It seems to me that such a serpent is an image, too. How shall we answer that? Also, don’t we read that two birds were placed on the mercy seat (Exodus 37: 7), the very place where God wanted worship to take place? Here we must admit that we may have images and make images, but we must not worship them, and if they are worshipped, they should be put away and destroyed, just as King Hezekiah broke in pieces the bronze serpent erected by Moses (2 Kings 18: 4). And who will be so bold as to say, when challenged, that they worship the images? They will say, “Are you the one who dares to accuse us of worshipping them? Do not believe that they will acknowledge it. To be sure, it is true, but we cannot make them admit it. Just look how they acted when I condemned works without faith. They said: Do you believe that we have no faith, or that our works are performed without faith? Then I cannot press them any further, but must put my flute back in my pocket; for if they gain a hair’s breadth, they make a hundred miles out of it. It should have been preached, therefore, that images were nothing and that no service is done to God by placing them in a church; then they would have fallen of themselves. That is what I did; that is what Paul did in Athens, when he went into their churches and saw all their idols. He did not punch any of them in the mouth, but stood in the marketplace and said, “People of Athens, you are all idolatrous” [Acts 17: 16, 22]. He preached against their idols, but he overthrew none by force. But you rush in, cause a ruckus, smash altars, and topple images! Do you really believe you can get rid of such altars in this way? No, you will only set them up more firmly. Even if you overthrew the images in this place, do you think you have overthrown those in Nuremberg and around the whole world? No way. St. Paul, as we read in the Book of Acts [28: 11], sat in a ship on whose prow were painted or carved the Twin Brothers [i.e., Castor and Pollux]. He went on board and did not bother about them at all. And he didn’t dislodge them. Why did Luke describe the Twins at this point? Without doubt he wanted to show that outward things could do no harm to faith, if only the heart does not cleave to them or put its trust in them. This is what we must preach and teach, and let the Word alone do the work, as I said before. The Word must first capture our hearts and enlighten us; we will not be the ones to do it. The apostles emphasized their ministry and not the effectiveness of their ministry.” (The Ninety Five Theses and Other Works, Martin Luther, Sermons in Lent, Regarding Images, pg 43-44, Penguin Classics) 

 

Having images or not is left to individual’s conscience. 

Since we don't know what Jesus looked like, any image of him is a misrepresentation.  Misrepresentations of the Lord are dishonouring to him, so this is not a matter of personal conscience.  It's like saying that lying about the Lord is a matter of conscience - it's not, it's a sin.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

There are this many Lutherans who have not bended the knee to culture and watering down of the gospel: 

Missouri Synod Lutherans

“1,968,641 baptized (1.9 Million) 
1,545,124 confirmed (1.5 Million).” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church–Missouri_Synod) 

Missouri-Synod Lutherans won’t even prdain Free Masons, much less homosexuals. 

By "baptized", I assume you mean sprinkled as an infant.  This is not scriptural baptism and means nothing.

Confirmation means a bit more, but is still not a strong indication of salvation.

It's good that they won't ordain Freemasons or homosexuals.

[Guest theElect777]

30 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Since we don't know what Jesus looked like, any image of him is a misrepresentation.  Misrepresentations of the Lord are dishonouring to him, so this is not a matter of personal conscience.  It's like saying that lying about the Lord is a matter of conscience - it's not, it's a sin.

Many people put stock into the writings of the Ancient Jewish Historian Josephus.   If we accept his writings, he described Christ.

 

The first century Jewish writer Josephus (37-100 AD) penned the earliest non-biblical testimony of Jesus.  In his work Halosis or the “Capture (of Jerusalem),” written around 72 A.D., Josephus discussed “the human form of Jesus and his wonderful works.” Biblical scholar Robert Eisler in a classic 1931 study of Josephus’ Testimony was able to reconstruct the unaltered testimony based on a newly-discovered Old Russian translation that preserved the original Greek text. According to Eisler’s reconstruction, the oldest non-Biblical description of Jesus read as follows:

“At that time also there appeared a certain man of magic power … if it be meet to call him a man, [whose name is Jesus], whom [certain] Greeks call a son of [a] God, but his disciples [call] the true prophet … he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose … with scanty [curly] hair, but having a line in the middle of the head after the fashion of the Nazaraeans, with an undeveloped beard.”

 

That description matches Isaiah to a "T" about the Messiah would be homely, nothing to look at, a tender root, very weak looking, etc.

Edited July 17, 2020 by theElect777