The third horseman of the apocalypse

[Revelation Man]

On 7/15/2020 at 6:04 PM, luigi said:

Upon opening the third seal, the rider of a black horse holds a pair of scales, while in the midst of four living beasts a voice declares a nominal amount of currency for some basic foodstuffs. For those of us who watch world news, many third world nations are now in considerably more dire economic circumstances due to Covid-19, than those in industrialized (first world nations). When people in third world nations, such as those that comprise Latin America lose their jobs, they then have to rely completely on the benevolence of others just to feed themselves and their families. As this situation continues to grow, while the benevolence of others will at some point wane, I then offer the possibility that the third horseman of the apocalypse in which a certain amount of basic foodstuffs is provided for a nominal amount of currency, represents third world nations, whose masses would otherwize starve, were it not for this basic social welfare type system being initiated.

Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine."

The Seals prophesy about the Beasts coming 42 month reign in Seals 1-4 and 5 prophesy about his Martyring the Saints. Seal 6 prophesies of God's coming Wrath. The 7th Seal BEGINS IT ALL, thus silence. 

He 1.) Conquers 2.) Takes away peace/brings war 3.) Which brings FAMINE 4.) Leading to Sickness & Death 5.) He Martyrs many 6.) God's Wrath comes upon mankind when the 7th Seal is opened all the above begin.

None of this can happen until the 70th week, and only then after the Pre tribulation Rapture.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Revelation Man

[luigi]

11 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Seals prophesy about the Beasts coming 42 month reign in Seals 1-4 and 5 prophesy about his Martyring the Saints. Seal 6 prophesies of God's coming Wrath. 7 Seal BEGINS IT ALL, thus silence. 

He 1.) Conquers 2.) Takes away peace/brings war 3.) Which brings FAMINE 4.) Leading to Sickness & Death 5.) He Martyrs many 6.) God's Wrath comes upon mankind when the 7th Seal is opened.

None of this can happen until the 70th week, and only then after the Pre tribulation Rapture.

Good morning Revelation Man, 

There currently is a major group of industrialized nations who go about conquering other nations in order to attain the raw materials these other nations possess. First horseman.

There currently are many third world nations economies on the brink of collapse where many of their poorer citizens can now no longer even do the menial tasks they were previously doing, and thus will starve, unless some new type of system in which a nominal amount of currency in exchange for some basic foodstuffs is soon initiated. Third horseman.

 

[Revelation Man]

On 7/22/2020 at 9:46 AM, luigi said:

Good morning Revelation Man, 

There currently is a major group of industrialized nations who go about conquering other nations in order to attain the raw materials these other nations possess. First horseman.

There currently are many third world nations economies on the brink of collapse where many of their poorer citizens can now no longer even do the menial tasks they were previously doing, and thus will starve, unless some new type of system in which a nominal amount of currency in exchange for some basic foodstuffs is soon initiated. Third horseman.

 

The Anti-Christ REVEALED at the 1260 point in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. Nothing happens before the final 7 years, and that can not happen until after the Rapture.

[The_Truth_Seeker]

On 7/21/2020 at 10:30 PM, iamlamad said:

It seems, you have totally not understood what I wrote: these three horsemen are TOGETHER: you can't separate them if God tells us they ride together. Note carefully:

2nd seal: RED Horse and rider given a great SWORD.
3rd seal: BLACK horse and rider to bring famine or HUNGER.
4th seal: PALE horse and rider titled DEATH.

⁸ And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And power was given unto them: who is "them?" 
to kill with SWORD: the RED horse and rider was given the SWORD
to kill with HUNGER: the BLACK horse and rider was to bring HUNGER
to kill with DEATH: the PALE horse and rider was titled DEATH

over the fourth part of the earth Note carefully: ALL THREE ARE LIMITED in their theater of operation to 1/4 of the earth

⁴ And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. [Limited to 1/4th of the earth]

 

⁵ And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. [Limited to 1/4th of the earth]

 

⁷ And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. ⁸ And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them , [the red horse and rider] to kill with sword, and [the black horse and rider to kill] with hunger, and [the pale horse and rider to kill] with death, and with the beasts of the earth - [but all three limited in where they could operate] over the fourth part of the earth

Note: the way John wrote this, all three ride together, and all three are limited to one fourth of the earth. I imagine that would take in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Two world wars have started in Europe. The black plague hit Europe twice, killing around 1/3 of the people each time. The plague of AIDS hit Africa very hard. Famines have hit Africa over and over. In other words, you cannot say that the Red horse and rider can bring war to China. War may well come to China (and it has) but it will not come by this red horse and rider, for he is limited to one fourth of the earth. 

 

Of course you can talk about any of the 3 bad horsemen separately, but just keep in mind, each one is limited to one fourth of the earth, and they ride together. 

Why is there the reference to only three horsemen in the above post, when there are four horsemen.

 

[luigi]

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Anti-Christ REVEALED at the 1260 point in the MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. Nothing happens before the final 7 years, and that can not happen until after the Rapture.

The rapture I believe constitutes the blessing on day 1,335, some 45 day following the commencement to the demise of the beasts system. As such, the rapture where the saints are spiritually caught up to the Lord, occurs after the seven years.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, luigi said:

The rapture I believe constitutes the blessing on day 1,335, some 45 day following the commencement to the demise of the beasts system. As such, the rapture where the saints are spiritually caught up to the Lord, occurs after the seven years.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The Rapture is pre 70th week sir. The 1260, 1290 and 1335 are a set number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS END. 

The 1335 comes first, its the Two-witnesses showing up to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL(1260).....Malachi 4: 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

The 1290 is thus the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest) placing the IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple (Rev. 13) where it ought (Matthew 24:15-17) not stand. This is the sign the Jews who have repented need, they thus have 30 days to Flee Judea before the Beast Conquers Jerusalem at the 1260. The High Priest/False Prophet STOPS Jesus Worship.....TAKES AWAY TE SACRIFICE...And the places the AoD.

The 1260 is the Anti-Christ Conquering Jerusalem and all the Mediterranean Sea Region in order to become the 7th Head of the 7 headed Beast. He will have 10 Kings up under him.

Each one of these is the exact number of days listed until the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS. 

[luigi]

The UN is calling for a temporary basic income for the 2.7 billion poorest in the world. This plan looks somewhat like the criteria for the third horseman.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/24/un-calls-temporary-basic-income-worlds-poorest-27-billion-people-lifeline-amid

[The_Truth_Seeker]

9 hours ago, luigi said:

The UN is calling for a temporary basic income for the 2.7 billion poorest in the world. This plan looks somewhat like the criteria for the third horseman.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/24/un-calls-temporary-basic-income-worlds-poorest-27-billion-people-lifeline-amid

Sounds like something along the lines of a universal basic income.

An income just enough to get the basic necessities. So in order for the economy to keep on going, money in money out.

This covid 19 outbreak, we do see the results, a lot of people unable to work, in financial stress, and what is also interesting, whether directly or indirectly related, there is also increased levels of violence. We have also seen trade wars escalate. 

You know what it sounds like, when looking at the all four horsemen together, sounds like a domino effect, as soon as one domino falls, the others will fall.

Look what is happening now, we go this disease pandemic, we seeing violence/riots and trade wars in this period, we seeing financial stress affecting so many people, we also seeing death as well because of this situation.

[luigi]

16 hours ago, The_Truth_Seeker said:

Sounds like something along the lines of a universal basic income.

An income just enough to get the basic necessities. So in order for the economy to keep on going, money in money out.

This covid 19 outbreak, we do see the results, a lot of people unable to work, in financial stress, and what is also interesting, whether directly or indirectly related, there is also increased levels of violence. We have also seen trade wars escalate. 

You know what it sounds like, when looking at the all four horsemen together, sounds like a domino effect, as soon as one domino falls, the others will fall.

Look what is happening now, we go this disease pandemic, we seeing violence/riots and trade wars in this period, we seeing financial stress affecting so many people, we also seeing death as well because of this situation.

While I agree with you that a basic income for the world's poorest resembles something like a universal basic income, as might be affiliated with the beasts system; nevertheless, the four horsemen's systems throughout the world in which chaos is rampant will still have to precede that of the beasts system that will provide the world with a 3.5 year false illusion of a utopian world. There is currently no false utopian vision of a better world in our near future. 

Covid 19 therefore, along with trade wars, increased levels of violence, and other such chaos that is just commencing are some of these early harbingers, referred to in the Olivet discourse as the beginning of sorrows, that are also depicted in the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

[iamlamad]

On 7/24/2020 at 5:59 AM, SONshine said:

The phrase the "fourth part of the earth" should be read the "four parts of the earth", or even the "four corners of the earth", which means they have power over all the earth.  See Acts 10:30 where exactly the same Greek word, tetartos, is translated "four" instead of "fourth".

“Them” would be the very same "children of disobedience", the tares of Matthew 13, the offspring of the head Serpent, (descendents of Cain), the same ones that Christ addressed in John 8, Matthew 23, etc.

Matthew 23:33 
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The phrase the "fourth part of the earth" should be read the "four parts of the earth", or even the "four corners of the earth

So you find an alternative meaning and then change the wording to fit?  

The KJV translates Strong's G5067 in the following manner: fourth (9x), four (1x).

I found ONLY Douay Rheims translation that put it: "over the four parts of the earth" It is the ONLY English translation I could find that did not put "one fourth."  That is 60 different English Translations!  And good reason, the Greek as written is "on the fourth of the land..."  We cannot add words or take away words: all we can do is understand what is written.  There is no Greek word for "parts." Douay Rheims add libbed that part. 

Some folks simply cannot admit error. 

Instead of using human reasoning and going off on a tangent to Matthew 23, why not just stick with the verses that EXPLAINS "them?" It is THEM with the SWORD, them that brings hunger or famime, and them titled Death. See how easy this is when we just follow the text? No need for imagination, or any kind of reasoning: just reading and understanding what is written. 

You amaze me.